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Vapour Trails from Airplanes Could Put an End to Stargazing in as Little as 30 Years
National Post [Canada] ^ | Monday, March 6, 2006 | NP?

Posted on 03/06/2006 7:12:06 AM PST by canuck_conservative

Airplane vapour trails may blot out our view of the stars in as little as 30 or 40 years, astronomers say, making ground-based telescopes -- which still do the bulk of our astronomy even in the Hubble age -- nearly useless. As cheap air travel expands, the sky gets criss-crossed with little ice crystals that can hang up there for a couple of days as thin clouds, dimming the view. This warning comes as Canada and other countries are currently designing a new generation of "Extremely Large Telescopes" with mirrors 30 metres or more across, and a view sharper than Hubble's -- but only if the sky is clear overhead. Canada and its U.S. partners hope to have a new 30-metre telescope operating by 2014.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: airplanes; bravosierra; chemtrails; ice; jets; skies; stargazing; tinfoilhatbrigade; vaportrails
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1 posted on 03/06/2006 7:12:10 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Load of crap. They tried the global warming angle with the contrails and it didn't stick either.


2 posted on 03/06/2006 7:14:00 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: canuck_conservative

I read another article where the left is trying to end the ease with which the masses can fly because it is causing global warming. Now this... "Planes are going to take away your stars and you won't have anything to gaze at anymore! Do something, quick! Sign the treaty and give your money to the UN now!"


3 posted on 03/06/2006 7:16:24 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: canuck_conservative
Airplane vapour trails may blot out our view of the stars in as little as 30 or 40 years,

Nope, nothing to see here folks...no such thing as chemtrails.


4 posted on 03/06/2006 7:24:52 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: canuck_conservative

Any moron who pays attention knows that the condensation trails form readily in the daytime, but not at night. And far fewer planes are flying at night anyway.

They are welcome to get alarmed about reduced sunny days, and increased overcast (which causes global cooling by reflecting heat out to space), but this stargazing stuff is nonsense.


5 posted on 03/06/2006 7:26:44 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: canuck_conservative
THIS.... is pure idiocy

Regards...
Wings (Ret)
(31 years in jets)

6 posted on 03/06/2006 7:29:36 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The answers are out there; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions)
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To: satchmodog9
Most of the really advanced new ground based scopes are going to sites that would not have this problem (if it even exists) because of remoteness or local weather factors. I would hope that if they spend several billion dollars on a scope they would put it somewhere with clear air.
7 posted on 03/06/2006 7:31:09 AM PST by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: satchmodog9

Yep. And they didn't mention anything about 'light' pollution from cities, the death knell of telescopes for decades. That's why they're built on top of mountains in very thin air.


8 posted on 03/06/2006 7:36:58 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect, it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Ever notice that everything bad that we're about to do to ourselves won't happen for 30 years? Is that the statute of limitations on junk science or something?


9 posted on 03/06/2006 7:40:02 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: quantim

Sounds like an Art Bell fan wrote this one.

Oh - a new one last nite with ole' Art. A caller stated that UFO's started visiting Earth right after our first nuclear detonation (~'44). Theory is the first detonation was a 'beacon' that attracted UFO's, etc.


10 posted on 03/06/2006 7:43:39 AM PST by GAD
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To: canuck_conservative

We're DOOMED!


11 posted on 03/06/2006 7:47:34 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: Beelzebubba

"Any moron who pays attention knows that the condensation trails form readily in the daytime, but not at night."

Huh?


12 posted on 03/06/2006 7:53:09 AM PST by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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To: nuke rocketeer
"We're DOOMED!"
13 posted on 03/06/2006 7:57:50 AM PST by DocRock
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To: canuck_conservative; RightWhale

If our grandchildren are to enjoy an unobstructed view of the night sky, we need to begin building Maglev NOW!!!


14 posted on 03/06/2006 8:00:56 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: GAD
A caller stated that UFO's started visiting Earth right after our first nuclear detonation (~'44).

I don't suppose you called back and explained that even if the aliens were from one nearest stars that the neutrinos/photons/etc. (choose your particle) traveled at the speed of light, and the aliens were able to travel at the speed of light that the trip would take 7-10 years at a minimum.

That is of course, unless they're already here....!

15 posted on 03/06/2006 8:03:33 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect, it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: satchmodog9
Load of crap. They tried the global warming angle with the contrails and it didn't stick either.

Actually the trails cause the earth to cool, not warm. Scientists did studies in the 3 days after Sept. 11th 2001 - when all airplane traffic over the US was suspended - and found that the trails do make a difference.

16 posted on 03/06/2006 8:09:12 AM PST by conserv13
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To: quantim
That is of course, unless they're already here....!

That's what the monolith on the Moon is for. (The Sentinel)

17 posted on 03/06/2006 8:10:16 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: canuck_conservative

Consider the source. Any news from Kana-Duh is a bunch of bull crap.


18 posted on 03/06/2006 8:12:54 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Beelzebubba
Actually, there was some interesting science that went on in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. It was the only chance to study the effect of a lack of vapour trails.
19 posted on 03/06/2006 8:19:48 AM PST by glorgau
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To: canuck_conservative

GREENIES SCARE THE KIDS

And probably the horses too!

Psychologists, psychiatrists, and public school counselors are reporting an increasing number of cases of anxiety disorders in students that are taught environmental subjects. The problem seems to be the most prevalent in kindergarten through 6th grade, when students are at ages where impressionable minds accept new information authoritatively. Complaints of generalized anxiety, school phobia, nightmares, and insomnia are the most common. Some teachers that cover environmental materials even report incidents of fights in the classroom. "The altercations usually end up with shouts like, 'oh yeah? well my dad can beat up your dad!' The students involved invariably come from households with differing political or religious beliefs", said a teacher at Woodland, Vermont's Henry David Thoreau Equal-Outcome Learning Center.

ecoEnquirer received an e-mail from one Woodland teacher who has experienced many of these problems firsthand. Teacher Amanda Deerfield wrote, "I try to give the studends a first-rate edukation, but the responce to enviromentel instruction have had sum very negativ results. Right now they are in my clasrooom watchin that moovie The Day After Tommorrow, and I can already hear them shouting at each uther."

Principal John Spanker noted, "Since these conflicts seem to arise from misinformation that parents are feeding their kids at home, we suggest that parents stop trying to teach their children...that job should be left to the professionals."

Some parents have objected to specific teaching materials that their children have brought home from school. The two environmental books most often objected to are, "Heather Has Too Much Stuff", and "Help! Mom! There's a Polluter Under My Bed!". One local Woodland parent, who declined to be identified for fear of retribution toward his child, told us, "These kids shouldn't be taught this controversial stuff at such a young age. What ever happened to reading, writing, and arithmetic? My kids come home knowing their 'carbon footprint', how much sea levels are supposed to rise, and Al Gore's middle name, but they can't write a complete sentence telling what they have learned!"

Principal Spanker disagreed, saying, "Times have changed. Learning has changed. We all want the same things for our kids' future: a clean environment, equal opportunity with equal pay, presidents that don't act like cowboys, and a clean environment. The kids need to know the truth...after all, they are tomorrow's leaders. I'm just thankful that we have psychotropic medications to get us through these difficult formative years." [!!!!]

Source http://antigreen.blogspot.com/


20 posted on 03/06/2006 8:20:17 AM PST by KeyLargo
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