Posted on 03/07/2006 5:58:23 AM PST by HostileTerritory
The influx of foreigners to New York and its suburbs and the continuing exodus of non-Hispanic whites to other parts of the country have transformed the face of metropolitan New York so profoundly that whites will constitute a minority of the region's population within a few years, demographers say.
The shift would make New York the first large metropolitan area outside the South and West in which whites do not make up a majority, according to an analysis of 2004 Census estimates by the Brookings Institution that was released yesterday.
The analysis also reveals a historic reversal: For the first time since at least the 19th century, the black population of both the city and, to a lesser extent, the region, has declined. In the five boroughs, according to the estimates, the number of blacks declined by about 30,000 since 2000, dipping below 30 percent of the overall population, as the migration of blacks to the suburbs and areas like the South outpaced immigration from the Caribbean and Africa.
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among the nation's 88 metropolitan areas with half a million or more people, New York is one of only three — Houston and Honolulu are the others — where the proportion of blacks, Hispanics and Asians each exceeds their share of the national population.
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True - Detroit is 86% black, but Wayne County is only 43% black and Oakland County is 13% black. Whites still make up 49% of Wayne County and 77% of Oakland County.
However, demographics are changing rapidly. Ten years ago Pontiac, Mich used to have a Hispanic population of about 7%, it is now 30% and climbing every day. Walk into a grocery store in Pontiac and you'd think you were in Mexico City. Pinatas, goat meat and all.
It is true that NY State has always had a larger non-Christian population than most other states. However, it has not been immune from a general trend of increased secularization among the white population, which one also sees along the west coast, in New England and even in some western "red" states like Colorado and Nevada (although the latter has high Mormon birthrates, to say nothing of the higher birthrates of Catholic and Evangelical Hispanics).
What Hermann means is that New York has always been an "exception" in that a large portion of its white population has been ethnically AND religiously Jewish (Jews are an ethnicity as well as a faith. There are Jewish atheists, agnostics, and even Christians!). As a result, the "culture" of "white" New Yorkers has been different from the rest of the country, as has the politics.
Where I disagree with him is that the type of Christians and Europeans who settled in the northeast (Italian, Irish, Portuguese, Greek, etc.) had an even greater impact on the cultural/poltical outlook of those states than the Jewish population did, simply due to the larger numbers of the aforementioned groups. I still laugh when I met an older gentleman from western Pennsylvania who thought that New York was "majority Jewish."
Chester County suburbs are overwhelmingly white. The black population is almost entirely in Coatesville, which is an old steel town. The Hispanic population is a population of trailer dwellers picking Mushrooms in the farming region in the south of the county, not ordinary suburbanites. County-wide statistics can be very deceptive.
Then you have places like Palmdale and the rest of the Antelope Valley in Los Angeles County where Hispanics and blacks equal whites in terms of total population, although these exurban areas were farms or desert only 15-20 years ago.
California is a very poor example given its radical racial distinction from the American heartland and American south at this point in time.
2. "Latent" white ethnic enclaves? Where?
Off the top of my head: the Anthricite region of Pennsylvania, the little Scandanavia of upstate Wisconsin and Minnesota, West Virginia and Kentucky and North Carolina hillbilly country, Acadiana, Frenchified northern Maine, the German country of southern Minnesota, South Dakota, North Dakota, etc.
It is nearly impossible for white folks or any folks for that matter to maintain ethnicity past the 3rd generation.
Until my parents married, their families had maintained 10 generations of strict ethnic seperatism in the US (German and English) since the 1600-1700's. I don't think that is that unusual. Isn't George Bush's family still all English?
According to the census bureau, nearly 90% (!) of all Polish Americans marry non-Polish Americans (as a Polish/Italian hybrid myself, I can attest to this). An Italian American from Pennsylvania who moves to Phoenix or Sarasota will simply become part of the assimilated white non-ethnic culture that dominates said areas.
That's because Florida is not segregated by ethnicity the way parts of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc. still are, and there is no sense of particular community. Sarasota doesn't have German, Polish, Irish, Italian, English, Jewish, etc. neighborhoods the way Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, or Milwaukee do.
What the heck does any of that mean? Hispanics are by and large Catholic which last I checked fell into the Christian category...I dont view this as a fight about CREEDS as I do a fight about legal vs. illegal immigration. What do the Jews have to do with anything?
What it means is that most white ethnics, who are overwhelmingly Catholic (Irish, Italians, Poles, Germans, Slovaks, Hungarians, Ukranians, Croats), wouldn't view themselves as part of a group that also includes Jewish people (or true Protestant-Anglos), but would see themselves as distinct. White ehtnics and Protestant Anglos, who together make up the majority of the US population overall, are a distinct minority in the NYC area.
And most Hispanics in this country are not Catholic. Only around 35-40% of Hispanics in the US are part of the Catholic Church. This lack of fidelity to a Catholic identity only heightens the seperation of many Hispanics from any possible identity with the white Catholic ethnics whose neighborhoods they are frequently moving into. Even the most apostate of Italian or Irish Catholics living in an urban enclave will still want to send their kids to the parish school and will at least attend periodic sacramental functions at Church. Hispanics who have become Pentecostalists obviously won't.
Time to move to Idaho, Montana or South Carolina
I wonder how the US Armed Forces would have fared in all our wars (and would fare today) if all the so-called "white trash" were removed.
Right...we should sing Kumbayah too.
NO...its not because of the color of their skin. Its because, quite frankly...neighborhoods eventually become unsafe for families with kids and crime increases when a greater propensity of lower income class blacks or hispanics move in; when THAT stops happening, people will change their "generalization" about blacks and hispanics moving into a given neighborhood...sorry about the reality check...there are exceptions...but its %90 true...facts have been backing it up for years.
Its not racist to NOT want to live in a higher crime area...the numbers back my statements up, and any sane, intelligent person knows it...so flame the hell away.
And all of those neighborhoods/cities are LOSING POPULATION! Even Milwaukee is seeing the elderly Poles being replaced by Mexicans!
The "old American 'ethnic' rustbelt" is losing population to the sunbelt. Go to any suburb of Phoenix or Tampa and you will find a larger than expected population of folks with Polish, Italian, German, etc. last names, but who are indistinguishable from any other white people.
"White Ethnic" America is dead or dying. All of the examples you cite are poor examples, as all are losing population due to economic and social retardation and dominated by the elderly.
Downingtown, West Chester, and other semi-exurban suburbs are at least 10% black with another 15% Hispanic and Asian. That may not seem like much, but considering that most postwar inner suburbs were 99% white, it is a factor to consider. Remember that most exurban areas have cheap real estate, so are more accessible to folks of humble income than the closer suburbs or the cities. This is true in New York (Orange County comes to mind) and even the Poconos.
Of course, Filthydelphia, along with Baltimore, is the most socially/economically backward region of the northeast, after Maine, and attracts few immigrants for that reason. Things change more slowly along the Delaware and the Schuykill expressway.
The Church publishes Catholic statistics by diocese and state every year. Jewish statistics are much harder to come by and rely upon self-identification.
You are correct about the large number of Hispanic Protestants. Only about 35-40% of Hispanics are registered as Catholics.
Actually, its because the surrounding towns are awful, but you get the point.
Did he call it "Jew York"? That is the nickname you hear from people like him down here, in Pittsburgh, and in South Jersey. They are under the delusion that the whole city is Jewish except for Harlem and the South Bronx, where the blacks live, Chinatown, and parts of Brooklyn, where the Italians and Irish live, and even most of the suburbs beyond obvious exceptions like Newark. Trying to explain the reality of the situation to the simpleminded is difficult.
But will still be excluded under Affirmative Action. Must suffer the punishment for sins of the father I guess.
The fat f-cks that I spoke of couldn't make it past an army physical.
>>>Whites already are in Chicago, they're 3rd.
'Hispanics'
Blacks
Whites>>>
And again, still excluded under Affirmative Action. That rule will be taken down when whites are minority enough to qualify for Affirmative Action. Oh wait, they are. So they should just rename it the "Whitey gotta pay" rule.
Not true...its about half and half.
I don't think that Detroit is in either the South or the West.
It looks like the whites are still a plurality. In other words, the journos will add the 20% black, to the 25% Latino, to the 6% Asian, and voila, the 49% white is not a majority.
If I was a decent, educated, and successful black person living in a primarily white or mixed-race neighborhood, I would be fearful of too many other blacks settling nearby. History illustrates over, and over, and over again that neighborhood degradation isn't too far down the road when this occurs. Good, honorable, and law-abiding black people must reverse that situation on a city-by-city basis.
~ Blue Jays ~
They live in the little rowhome neighborhoods they have lived in for years ever since their fathers came to work at the local factories. Not suburbanites. This is like claiming the descendants of the black servants of the Mainline in Lower Merion Township who live in the little rowhomes on the wrong side of the tracks in Bryn Mawr and Ardmore are typical rich suburbanites in a diversyifing area.
Downingtown Borough is 10% black and 6% Asian and Hispanic combined. Coatesville City is 40% white, 50% black, 10% Hispanic, negligible Asians. 60% of the blacks in the county live in Downingtown, Coatesville, Phoenixville, Oxford, and West Chester, leaving 10,000 to populate the remainder of a county that has 360,000 people. ~60% of Hispanics (10,000 of 16,000) live in the Mushroom farming areas and Coatesville. 6,000 out of 360,000 does not make for diversity, and a number of these are classic white Spaniards from Latin America (I know because I've interviewed some of their kids for Carnegie Mellon admissions).
Far more typical of Exurbia in Chester County are East Brandywine Twp. 96% white, Charlestown Twp. 94% white, Upper Uwchlan Twp. 97% white, Willistown Twp. 95% white, Schuykill Township 94% white. These are not "diverse" areas, but they are where the new homes have gone up. They do have a larger minority population than most neighborhoods where I live in NE Philly, but that is more because of historical exclusion in my area until parts were busted open by Section 8 circa 1993-1994.
Of course, Filthydelphia, along with Baltimore, is the most socially/economically backward region of the northeast, after Maine, and attracts few immigrants for that reason. Things change more slowly along the Delaware and the Schuykill expressway.
And we like it that way. Philadelphia and Baltimore are positively economic dyanmos compared to Scranton, Williamsport, Binghamton, Elmira, Altoona, Johnstown, Cumberland, and Pittsburgh, against whom we are actually competing, and the source of some of our population growth. Who cares if it isn't a roaring economy like Boston or New York or DC? Ordinary people can still afford to buy nice homes here and raise their kids in a classic American setting, while they can't there. We can be inscrutible ethnic particularists and nobody will question why we would act that way, because it only seems strange that some people don't. In a way what is really nice is that we have true preserved diversity here, rather than a rapidly suffocating bland sameness that you see elsewhere in the US. So we think its nicer here. Plus, the pay is really good because it is in the "expensive" Northeastern US. When I moved back to Philly from NYC, I cut my rent and taxes in half, while my pay dropped just $2000. Can't beat that. End of story.
Actually, its because the surrounding towns are awful, but you get the point.
Same phenomena in Bala and Wynnefield in Philly. Formerly affluent Jewish neighborhoods now overrun with very affluent blacks who all seem to own BMW's and Mercedes, but other affluent whites won't move in, so the neighborhood keeps getting blacker as the old Jewish residents die off.
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