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GI denied request in objector case (Katherine Jashinski)
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 03/07/2006 | San Antonio Express-News

Posted on 03/07/2006 6:20:50 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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To: operation clinton cleanup

There were earlier threads about her. She joined because of financial reasons because she was in college. It didn't sound like she did it for her country or any kind of training. She became a CO when things looked like she'd be activated. That's the way I understood it.

I have no sympathy for her.


21 posted on 03/07/2006 7:02:00 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: Former Military Chick
"All Volunteer Military" and "Consciencious Objector" and mutually exclusive terms.

Simple solution to the CO problem - let them serve out the remainder of their enlistment, including ready reserve following release from active duty in solitary confinement in Leavenworth!

22 posted on 03/07/2006 7:10:31 PM PST by Don Carlos (El que no le gusta vino es un animal!)
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To: Former Military Chick

she wasn't drafted. She signed up - she made a contract...


23 posted on 03/07/2006 7:13:16 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: jazusamo
I joined the USAF in summer of 1989 because:
1) I didn't know what the hell to do with my life, and I like airplanes.
2) I needed money to finish school.
3) Ronald Reagan and Rush motivated me to do something for my country and improve myself.

End result: I got to meet outstanding people, travel the world, get a 2 B.S. degrees and (after several ups and downs) get my dream job.

This girl will regret ever taking her current path.
24 posted on 03/07/2006 7:15:50 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I'm sure you're right. I was USAR, my wife was in the WAC's as a nurse for 6 years and our son was Army for 4 years and in the Gulf War. It was a good experience for all of us.

If she can't hack this, most likely she won't cut it in the real world.
25 posted on 03/07/2006 7:21:57 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: Former Military Chick
She needs a BCD and some time to make big rocks into little rocks...


26 posted on 03/07/2006 7:40:29 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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I'd have absolutely no problem with her getting CO status if she had asked to be transferred to non-combat support duty, but she didn't. She asked for a discharge. It's clear that she just wants out, period.

She made a commitment and signed a contract. The Army has held up it's end of the deal and she should have at least tried to honor her side by finding a way to continue her service without compromising all her new found moral views.


27 posted on 03/07/2006 7:42:49 PM PST by Elyse
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To: Former Military Chick

Shoot her.


28 posted on 03/07/2006 7:42:51 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Former Military Chick; Little Bill
The Army denied her request for conscientious objector status, saying she wasn't sincere and that she declared only after learning her unit was activated.

That is the key.

My Dad was a concientious objector in WWII and volunteered for the Navy. He never left the states, was a radio operator. Why? Because he knew he had to serve his country, but didn't think he could ever kill anyone himself.

Except me a few times...

29 posted on 03/07/2006 8:58:40 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Former Military Chick

ping


30 posted on 03/08/2006 1:51:27 AM PST by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: RaceBannon
I had a Great Grand father during the Indian wars out West, who, according to one of one of my sniveling cousins, in our genealogy, said that John Alma could not bring himself to shed the blood of a fellow human.

When my Aunt Died, she who collected everything Little Bill, found a Citation from President Grant that cast a different light on the subject.

31 posted on 03/08/2006 5:28:13 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: marron
Part of being a grown-up is accepting consequences.

Suppose we are talking about a pharmacist refusing to sell a morning after pill because it violates his/her religious beliefs?

Should you be fired because you won't do what you were hired to do? Should you quit?

If you get fired for not doing your job, do you sue?

32 posted on 03/08/2006 5:47:16 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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This is just me, obviously... if I can't in good conscience do what I was hired to do, I should be looking for another position, whether within the same company, or with another company.

If I was fired, for refusing to do something I was expected to do, I probably would not sue. It would depend, obviously, and I can't say under what conditions I would sue. My tendency would be to walk away, and find another company more in line with my ethics.

Its legitimate to try to remain inside the company, and try to effect changes, and where you have to draw the line will be different for different people. It isn't only pharmacies, although that was your example. Many jobs, almost any job, you could find yourself expected to do something that violates your conscience. You should know where your line is, and let people know where the line is when you get too close. And then refuse to cross it.

Whether you have a cause for legal action will depend on the situation. For me, since I dislike the idea of suing just on general principles, I would do so only if doing so would help to change what I viewed as an immoral situation. Not for money; its not me. But, obviously, money is what gets people's attention. But in your example of the pharmacist, I doubt he has cause for a lawsuit.

Obviously, he has the right to act in the political realm, and he has the right to publicize his situation, and to try to get public opinion on his side. Any citizen has that right. Thats how things change.

To carry this thread one more step, I am as pro-military and pro-cop as they come. But when my son went into the military, I told him that he must always be prepared to put his conscience first. Never do anything you can't live with when you take the uniform off. You may have to resign your post, you may even have to do time in jail, so be it. But know where the line is, and don't cross it.

I repeated the advice when he got out, and went into law enforcement. Always know where the line is, and never cross it. Resign if you have to. Testify if you have to. Honor and conscience come first.


33 posted on 03/08/2006 6:26:12 PM PST by marron
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To: DoughtyOne

Absolutely right.

http://www.thehistorynet.com/vn/bltombennett/

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/03.10.04/objector-0411.html

Two conscientious objectors that earned Medals of Honor.


34 posted on 03/08/2006 6:33:15 PM PST by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: dpa5923

Thank you. I appreciate it.


35 posted on 03/08/2006 6:35:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: marron

Wow, great post.


36 posted on 03/08/2006 6:38:15 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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