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I disagree with that statement and request that you show me where you have the right to drive drunk.

.08 is not, has never been, and will never be drunk. All I ask is that if you want to keep moving the goalposts to include everyone as a drunk driver, then please make alcohol illegal again so we can watch prohibition fail completely.

Should we not stake out Mosques where terrorists embark on their trek? How is it that looking to bars for drunk drivers is any different? I believe it is a common sense thing, don't you?

Drunk drivers are the same as terrorists? That's a new one from you psychos. Why don't you try arguing that Atta just had a few too many cocktails when he was flying the plane? I didn't realize I was dealing with a teetotaller here.

.08 is shown in study after study to show declined ability to operate a vehicle, among other tasks performed.

Study after study funded by you teetotallers and your friends in nanny statist government. I believe those as much as I believe cow farts are causing global warming and a whisp of secondhand smoke kills bunnies five miles away. You authoritarians have studies, all right. Can't wait for the next one that says .06 is falling down drunk. Or is it cell phones that you want to ban next, I can't remember?

Is this not a charachteristic you agree with?

No. I don't agree with an army of cops out ever weekend with inaccurate breathalizers hoping to bring a dude on the way home from Crappleblahs after two beers into financial ruin and disgrace. Because the cop can do just that, you know. .02, .03, it doesn't matter. They can nail you for that.

Your license is not a right.

The mating cry of safety statists.

BAC is an example that applies to all people equally. Is this a concept you agree with or not?

Not. Some are deemed to be drunk at low BACs by our overlords, while others are allowed to pass. That's not equal. That's officer discretion. With the weight of the potential penalty, I don't want it to depend on which way the wind is blowing that night.

Please make the case for me why it is proper to drive at levels above .08, can you do that? I can offer you alot of folks that are dead and or injured that show why it is improper.

.08 is only drunk because you and your ilk have decided that it shall be so. .10 was a very reasonable standard. But you all were not making enough money for the government, so we had to drop it to .08 to bring in that cash. And now it's going even lower. And after they do that, they'll start aggressively persuing those who had a cold pill that morning. You're impaired there, snotty, so off to jail with you.

Lots more people are killed by sober idiots. Let's just make it all safe and ban driving entirely. And let's return alcohol to the black market. I feel safer with them having the revenue.

Hi All-

The number .08 appears artificially low to me. The old standard of .10 seemed perfectly sufficient for plucking dangerous drivers off the streets. I would imagine that most adults are briefly at .08 the moment that finish their first beer with dinner. That is why I suggest that all drinking HALT for at least an hour prior to departing a bar or restaurant.

I have a brother-in-law who is a hardcore alcoholic. The last time he was found in a stupor by the police, he had a .58 BAC reading! You read that correctly, .58 was coursing through his veins! Even though he is a loser, his tolerance for alcohol is nearly superhuman...to the point that it would easily kill a normal person.

~ Blue Jays ~

You make several good points.
My favorite, taking a humorous look at the use of statistics, is to take a cop press release from a few years ago and turn it around on them. It went like this: 32 percent of drivers in accidents tested positive for marijuana.
Oh, you mean, two-thirds of people causing accidents didn't have the benefit of marijuana in their system. Is that what explains the discrepancy?
Generally, the answer I got was, don't be a smart-a**.
Oh, I'm a smart ass when your stats aren't persuasive or backfire.
PR people don't like when that happens. The Baltimore NAACP put out a press release saying blacks from all levels of society were being profiled and stopped on I-95 whereas only the dregs of white society were stopped. And, you know what, they said? The blacks don't do any more drugs than the whites. The same percentage were found to have drugs in the car.
So, I ask the lady if she really wants to put out a press release that says all levels of black society are involved with drugs at the same percentages as the white dregs.
"That's not what it says," she screams.
It wasn't study after study that caused the drinking limit to be dropped. It was first the harpies that (vote and) want a limit of 0.00, followed by the federal blackmail. Some states went to .08 before it was a federal mandate.

>08 is the BAC level at which every person is deemed unfit to drive. Impaired to drive. Deal with it or present why it is wrong. You saying so isn't enough. Yet that is all you will do. Why do you call for alcohol to be illegal? I sure am not doing so. Why are you? Afraid to admit this is about driving and not about drinking by itself?

Drunk drivers make a choice just like terrorists do, and people are hurt and killed by both. Sorry the comparison upsets you but hey, the truth hurts.

Show me why they are not the same in the areas I have likened them. OH wait, you would if you could.

You said it yourself, you don't believe. OK that is your right. But it doesn't make you right.

Then you go on to say ban cell phones. NOOOOOO just like booze you change the goalposts yourself. It isn't about the phone it is about the ddddrrrriiiiivvvvviiiinnngggg......see a pattern yet?

I notice that you didn't make the case that driving IS your right. I wonder why you went the direction you did instead of actually doing that?

YES at .08 BAC all people are treated the same in the eyes of the law....that is to say that none are allowed to drive after that level is reached. I love your spin trying to say that isn't the case.

You want to talk about ILK? The same folks that argued against the .08 change argued against the change TO .10 so take your straw man and go on with your bad self.

Lots more people are killed by sober drivers because there are alot more sober drivers driving. This hollow foolisness Is like saying more white people drive than black people....WELL DUH there is more white people!!!! Take these weak rants somewhere else, I have no need to play this game with you.