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General Semantics and Holocaust Denial (PDF. File)
The Holocaust History Project ^ | Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/08/2006 11:02:16 PM PST by mal

CERTAIN GROUPS claim the Holocaust never happened. Almost from the beginning of the discovery of this widespread destruction of European Jewry before and during World War II, Nazi apologists, anti-Semites, and selfstyled “skeptics” have tried to discredit the accepted history of this period. Deborah Lipstadt of Emory University has termed this phenomenon “Holocaust denial.” While originally an obscure movement, since the rise of the internet in the mid-1990s, Holocaust denial has grown significantly, and new adherents continue to set up web sites dedicated to “debunking the myth.” The upside to the growing awareness of Holocaust denial is that organizations and individuals have taken up the task of preserving the basic truths of the Holocaust, while exposing this period to continuing historiographical scrutiny, thus promoting a better and more complete understanding of the Holocaust.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: genocide; holocaust; holocaustdenial; holocaustrevisionism; shoah

1 posted on 03/08/2006 11:02:18 PM PST by mal
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To: mal

Ping for later.
I've actually met people who think it never happened. One no more than a 16 year old school girl. Terribly sad.


2 posted on 03/08/2006 11:34:05 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: mal
If they can sell holocaust denial they can then turn Stalin into a Saint and the USSR into a booming economic and social paradise. This is all part of their cognitive dissidence ploy.
3 posted on 03/09/2006 12:55:06 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: warsaw44
I've actually met people who think it never happened. One no more than a 16 year old school girl.

They probably also think the moon landing took place in a Hollywood studio.

4 posted on 03/09/2006 12:56:20 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

They'll all understand better when Jesus comes back.


5 posted on 03/09/2006 1:34:48 AM PST by Frwy
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To: warsaw44
One no more than a 16 year old school girl.

They all seem to be of about the same mental age....

6 posted on 03/09/2006 1:43:45 AM PST by adamsjas
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To: Frwy
They'll all understand better when Jesus comes back.

Yep, sort of like the flash of recognition one has when he realizes he has been had. They never expected Jesus to be real! That is when the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin.

7 posted on 03/09/2006 1:47:12 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: mal

Those with dirty hands in this matter, including the Vatican, wish the memory of the Holocaust would go away. It almost had when Stephen Spielberg brought out "Schindler's List".

Never forget.


8 posted on 03/09/2006 3:52:37 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: RoadTest

--Those with dirty hands in this matter, including the Vatican, wish the memory of the Holocaust would go away.

Those with dirty hands such as the USA, Great Britain, France, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.. etc..
Did anyone reach out to the Jews?


9 posted on 03/09/2006 4:11:34 AM PST by bkepley
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To: RoadTest
Those with dirty hands in this matter, including the Vatican

Uh-huh...

". . . the Catholic Church, under the pontificate of Pope Pius XII was instrumental in saving at least 700,000, but probably as many as 860,000, Jews from certain death at Nazi hands."

Pinchas E. Lapide, THREE POPES AND THE JEWS (1967)

"When fearful martyrdom came to our people, the voice of the pope was raised for its victims."

Golda Meir, Israeli Foreign Minister (October 9, 1958)

"I should like you to take this occasion to express to His Holiness my deeply-felt appreciation of the frequent action which the Holy See has taken on its own initiative in its generous and merciful efforts to render assistance to the victims of racial and religious persecution."

Franklin D. Roosevelt to Myron C. Taylor (August 3, 1944)

. . . I told him [the Pope] that my first duty was to thank him , and through him, the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public, for all they had done in the various countries to rescue Jews, to save children, and Jews in general." .

Moshe Sharett, First Israeli Foreign Minister (April 1945)

"In all these painful matters, I referred to the Holy See and afterwards I simply carried out the Pope's orders: first and foremost to save human lives."

Angelo Cardinal Roncalli, Patriarch of Venice, Later Pope John XXIII (1957) "

"What we can say already, in light of what we have learned, is that the Nazis considered Pius XII and his collaborators as their greatest enemies and that, reciprocally, the Pope and his entourage saw the Nazis as criminals working for the destruction of the Church and civilization."

Jean Chelini, LE FIGARO (October 8, 1983)

"The gratitude [to Pope Pius XII] of the world Jewish leaders, for deeds to which their own archives are witness, was transformed after 1963 into totally negative commentary. The well-intentioned, informed world Jewish community was downgraded to 'disgraceful testimonials of a few Jews' (NEW YORK TIMES, September 27, 1989,Letters)."

Rev. Robert A. Graham, S. J. (October 1989)

"Anyone who does not limit himself to cheap polemics knows very well what Pius XII thought of the Nazi regime and how much he did to help countless people persecuted by the regime."

Pope John Paul II (1995)

"In his 1942 Christmas message, which THE NEW YORK TIMES among others extolled, the pope became the first figure of international stature to condemn what was turning into the Holocaust."

Kenneth Woodward, NEWSWEEK (March 30, 1998)

10 posted on 03/09/2006 4:44:49 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra
And some more drive-by commentary on Pope Pius XII ... :0)

The foremost Jewish Scholar of the Holocaust at its height in Hungary, Jeno Levai, insisted some years ago that it was a "particularly regrettable irony that the one person in all of occupied Europe who did more than anyone else to halt the dreadful crime and alleviate its consequences is today made the scapegoat for the failures of others."

The Israeli diplomat and scholar Pinchas Lapide concluded his careful review of Pius XII’s wartime activities with the following words: "The Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving lives of as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands." He went on to add that this "figure far exceeds those saved by all other Churches and rescue organizations combined." After recounting statements of appreciation from a variety of preeminent Jewish spokespersons, he noted. "No Pope in history has been thanked more heartily by Jews . . . .Several suggested in open letters that a Pope Pius XII forest of 860,000 trees be planted on the hills of Judea in order to fittingly honor the memory of the late Pontiff ("Three Popes and the Jews" pp. 214–215)." Levai in his own book did not hesitate to argue that the attacks on the Pope’s wartime record are "demonstrably malicious and fabricated . . . . The archives of the Vatican of diocesan authorities of Ribbentrop’s foreign ministry, contain a whole series of protests—direct and indirect, diplomatic and public, secret and open. The nuncios and bishops of the Catholic Church intervened again and again on the instructions of the Pope," he wrote.

Hungarian Jews and the Papacy: The former chief rabbi of Rome during the German occupation, Emilio Zolli, concluded his firsthand account of wartime events thus: "Volumes could be written on the multiform works of Pius XII, and the countless priests, religious and laity who stood with him throughout the world during the war." "No hero," he said, "in all of history was more militant, more fought against, none more heroic, than Pius XII in pursuing the works of true charity . . . and thus on behalf of all the suffering children of God." Zolli was so moved by Pius XII’s work that he became a Catholic after the war and took the Pope’s name (Before the Dawn). Lapide acknowledged in his book that the Church "in an endless flood of sermons, allocutions, pastoral letters and encyclicals was a clear and unrelenting foe to all forms of racism at the time, and everyone knew it—Jews, Poles, Russians and most ominously the Nazi secret police." Their files mention recalcitrant Catholic clergy in this regard more than any other group.

The New York Times in its Christmas editorials of 1941 and 1942 praised Pius XII for his moral leadership as a "lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent" and for, among other things, assailing "the violent occupation of territory, and the exile and persecution of human beings, for no other reason than race." No other institution produced more heroes during the Holocaust than the Church: Italian, Slovak, French, Hungarian priests, nuns, and laypersons who risked and often gave their lives for the sake of persecuted Jews.

Golda Meir, Israel’s representative to the United Nations, was the first of the delegates to react to the news of Pope Pius XII’s death. She sent an eloquent message: "We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for its victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out about great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace."

Leonard Bernstein, on learning of Pope Pius XII’s death while conducting his orchestra in New York’s Carnegie Hall, tapped his baton for a moment of silence to pay tribute to the Pope who had saved the lives of so many people without distinction of race, nationality, or religion.

The great Jewish physicist, Albert Einstein, who himself barely escaped annihilation at Nazi hands, made the point well in 1944 when he said, "Being a lover of freedom, when the Nazi revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, but the universities were immediately silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, but they, like the universities were silenced in a few short weeks. Then I looked to individual writers . . . . they too were mute. Only the Church," Einstein concluded, "stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing the truth. . . . I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel great affection and admiration . . . . and am forced thus to confess that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly."
11 posted on 03/09/2006 5:02:00 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: bkepley

"Did anyone reach out to the Jews?"

Not that I know of, and that includes GM and Volkswagen, along with other Aewrican auto companies and German industrial corporations with us today. They all served Hitler.


12 posted on 03/09/2006 7:09:11 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: RoadTest

"Aewrican"

They were from Aewrica, USA.


13 posted on 03/09/2006 7:10:19 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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14 posted on 03/09/2006 10:39:52 AM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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Ping!


15 posted on 03/09/2006 11:25:22 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The "religion of peace" is actually the religion of constant rage and riots.)
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To: RoadTest
Those with dirty hands in this matter, including the Vatican, wish the memory of the Holocaust would go away.

That's a pack of filthy lies.

16 posted on 03/09/2006 11:27:12 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: bkepley
Did anyone reach out to the Jews?

Yes ... that would, of course, be ....

Yup.

You guessed it:

The Vatican.

RoadTest's knowledge of history is more than a little bit lacking in the facts.

17 posted on 03/09/2006 11:30:46 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RoadTest
Not that I know of,

At least you admit your abyssmal ignorance.

It's a start.

18 posted on 03/09/2006 11:31:58 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Oh brother not this again....
I am so sick of this stuff. These guys are more than ready to re-invent world history now that the generation that was witness to it all are almost gone.

“Intellectual cowards” is my view. They are not even worth talking to.


19 posted on 03/09/2006 11:39:10 AM PST by iluvlucy
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To: iluvlucy

You nailed it!


20 posted on 03/09/2006 12:07:58 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The "religion of peace" is actually the religion of constant rage and riots.)
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To: RoadTest

I have a little more sympathy than for the other guilty actors in the tragedy. Many Catholic priests did try to help, and some were very effective. The Pope did try to help some, even though he could have done more, and IMO, has been the target of a smear campaign that's been out to tarnish the rep of the Catholic Church.


21 posted on 03/09/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: RoadTest

"Never forget"

Have you forgotten that the highest ranking Rabbi in Rome at the time was so impressed with the efforts by the Vatican to stop all this that he converted?

Have you forgotten there is a book out by a Jewish Rabbi right now that says this "the Vatican was part of it" hype is false and sings high praises for the efforts by the Pope and many others in the Church?

Have you forgotten that Hitler had the Church on the list as "Next"?

Have you forgotten that many priests were in those camps as well?

You know what you have already answered all these questions, if you but knew it.

I do not have much respect for people who wish to falsify the past to suit their own agenda. I do not have it for Holocaust deniers. I knew people who survived. I also have little time for those who only want to finish what Hitler only just started with the Church.

I see enough roadkill on country roads, I don't need to see it here.


22 posted on 03/09/2006 1:36:40 PM PST by iluvlucy
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24 posted on 03/10/2006 4:03:58 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The "religion of peace" is actually the religion of constant rage and riots.)
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To: agere_contra
>>>>>Uh-huh...<<<<<

Meet Aloisuis Stepinac, the future Patron Saint of Genocide

In 1941-45 Archbishop Stepinac was a head of Roman Catholic Church in Croatia. Under his watch, hundreds of thousands of Christians have been murdered and forcibly converted to RC faith. Forcible conversions were under direct Archbishop's responsibility. Victims property was confiscated and distributed by an agency of Nazi state, headed by RC Priest (Draganovich). Roman Catholic priests and nuns were busy running concentration camps.

After the war and defeat of Nazism, Vatican help hide Nazi war criminals and spiriting them out to South America to flee from justice. The enire Croatian Nazi loot from murdered was held in Vatican. Stepinac was elevated to the rank of Cardinal, and beatified by JPII.

This is not RC bashing, this is historical fact. Denying it is holocaust denial.

Planned sainthood for someone who breached The Canon of RC Church is the most telling.

One can only imagine the conversation between St. Augustin, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Aloisius.

Uh-huh...

25 posted on 03/10/2006 7:40:25 AM PST by DTA (never forget !)
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To: mal; SJackson; dennisw
>>>>>Deborah Lipstadt of Emory University has termed this phenomenon “Holocaust denial.”<<<<<<<<

Holocaust denial is only one segment of Nazi revisionism. The others are Holocaust Diminishing (It happened, but it was not 6 milion, maybe 600,000 or one million, two million tops") and Holocaust awareness dilution.

Lowlifes of Stormfront type are not the main problem because they are ignored by the mainstream media.

The problem are eloquent, educated who have full access to the mass media.

Dilution of awareness is acheived by robbing the terms of their meaning. One can often say liberals and leftists ranting about "Israeli Nazis", "Polish Death Camps" and the like. The very word "holocaust" is used for everything, even colloquially (we had a holocaust, our budget proposal was rejected")

Stupid Nazi revisionists are deniers. Smarter are Diminishers. The most vicious are diluters.

Diluters have access to PR agencies and media and their views shape public opinion. One diluter is worth more than thousand Stormfront skinheads.

The damage to the memory of the dead is immesurable. They erase it effectively with various propaganda techniques, that are not obvious. Stupid Nazi revisionists often get arrested because of the violent acts. Smarter ones got arrested for spreading hate speech and denial (Zundel, Irving). The smartest ones never get arrested. They profit.

Here are three examples how diluters work. During Bosnia civil war, the headlines screaming "Belsen" and fake photos

appeared in British papers. The name Belsen was chosen because over 50% of British adult population has NEVER heard of Auschwitz.

The implication is clear. If Belsen 92 was fake, so was Belsen 42. The circulation surpassed anything Nazi types in dark alleys or internet can disseminate. Clear win for Nazi side.

During Kosovo campaign, the stories of fake incinerations of corpses in alleged Trepca smelter, were widely circulated in European and American press.

Daily Mirror published without blinking: “Trepca—the name will live alongside those of Belsen, Auschwitz and Treblinka,”

Trepca was a fraud. And people read it without blushing, or protesting. If the name of the fraudulent crematoria live alngside those of Belsen, Auschwitz and Treblinka, implication is clear- Belsen, Auschwitz and Treblinka are also fraud.

Last but not least, go to GOOGLE search engine and type BELSEN and see how many hits you will get. (641,000 when I checked), , Belzec (227,000) Majdanek(240,000),Mauthousen (80), Ravensbruck (398,000), Sobibor (366,000), Treblinka (510,000)

Then, repeat the search for Srebrenica.

The lie about Srebrenica is earmarked to become the symbol of genoicide. It already casts the shadow over Holocaust extermination truth by sheer volume displacement.

One may ask, who are the Diluters and what steps ADL, USHMM are taking to stop them.

The answer to this question is long due.

26 posted on 03/10/2006 8:38:55 AM PST by DTA (never forget !)
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To: DTA
“Holocaust denial is only one segment of Nazi revisionism. The others are Holocaust Diminishing (It happened, but it was not 6 milion, maybe 600,000 or one million, two million tops") and Holocaust awareness dilution.”

BINGO
I agree. I have a way of saying this very thing. I call it Holocaust denial by degree. You know the drill.

Stage one:
“Well………. It wasn’t 6 million it was only 5 million tops….if that.”

Stage two:
“Oh yes I agree it happened but not by that many. Oh I don’t know maybe 4 million at the tops”

Stage three:
“Look it wasn’t 4 million it was half that at the most.”

Stage four:
“Holocaust? Oh that is just a plot by the Jews to milk money. Maybe 1 million died if even that”

Stage five:
“What Holocaust? Show me the Holocaust.”

Stage six
Problem solved

These guys are even bigger liers than the Holocaust deniers. Never trust them because truth is not a priority to them.
27 posted on 03/10/2006 6:22:42 PM PST by iluvlucy
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