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Video Games Can Save Your Life
StrategyPage ^ | March 10, 2006

Posted on 03/10/2006 3:09:57 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

The U.S. Army has discovered a remote control gun turret that works, and cannot get enough of them. The army wants over 9,000 CROWS (common remotely operated weapon stations), but is only getting 15 a month. There should be about a thousand CROWS in service by the end of the year.

The idea for CROWS has been around for nearly half a century. Years of tinkering, and better technology, eventually made the remote control gun turret effective and dependable. CROWS us a real life saver, not to mention anxiety reducer, for troops who drive through bandit country a lot, and have a turret mounted gun (usually in a hummer). The guy manning the turret mounted machine-gun is a target up there, and too often, the bad guys get you. Not with CROWS. The gunner is inside the vehicle, checking out the surroundings on a computer monitor (with night vision and telephoto capabilities). CROWS also has a laser rangefinder built in, as well as a stabilizer mechanism to allow more accurate fire while the vehicle is moving. The CROWS systems cost about $260,000 each, and can mount a variety of weapons (M2 .50 caliber machine-gun, MK19 40-mm automatic grenade launcher, M240B 7.62mm machine-gun and M249 5.56mm squad automatic weapon).

But there's another reason, not often talked about, for the success of CROWS. The guys operating these systems grew up playing video games. They developed skills in operating systems (video games) very similar to the CROWS controls. This was important, because viewing the world around the vehicle via a vidcam is not as enlightening (although a lot safer) than having your head and chest exposed to the elements, and any firepower the enemy sends your way. But experienced video gamers are skilled at whipping that screen view around, and picking up any signs of danger. Iraqis are amazed at how observant CROWS is. Iraqis tend to just wrote this off as another example of American "magic." But the troops know betters. Video games can save your life.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: crows; wheeledarmor

1 posted on 03/10/2006 3:10:00 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I just knew all those hours playing "Call of duty 2" were worth something.


3 posted on 03/10/2006 3:26:51 AM PST by tcostell
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

We've got one near here - one, single system. The kids rave about it, and how easy it is to make it perform.


4 posted on 03/10/2006 3:32:27 AM PST by Old Sarge (My vigor to fight has been renewed.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

May I introduce ma deuce.


5 posted on 03/10/2006 3:37:02 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: SLB; Squantos; Darksheare; Travis McGee

Not quite like being behind a Ma Deuce, I suppose, but much safer.


6 posted on 03/10/2006 3:44:15 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

260k for a turret, a screen, and sensors? Sounds a bit pricey, but I guess anything is cheap if it saves a life.


7 posted on 03/10/2006 4:29:09 AM PST by stormlead
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Screenshot follows (note the crescent moon):


8 posted on 03/10/2006 4:36:20 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

A bit of history.

The first operational remotely controlled gun turret that fire 4 .50 caliber machine guns first flew in1943 when the B-29 started flying.

How successful and effective was it?

Well it was able to rapidly shoot down attacking Japanese fighter aircraft. The closing speeds (B-29 airspeed and the Japanese fighter’s speed) was over 600 miles an hour.

The sighting method was a set of binoculars in a mount with a man behind them.

It took 50 plus years to change it from the Mark-1 human eyeball to a video system?

Wonder what else from the 1940-1950 era we should be exploring?


9 posted on 03/10/2006 5:14:12 AM PST by Nip (SPECTRE - Whistling death from the darkness of night.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Because of innovations like this, in another 10 years, tanks and other armored vehicles are going to change beyond recognition. Buck Rogers country!


10 posted on 03/10/2006 5:23:44 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (DO NOT read to the end of this tagline . . . Oh, $#@%^, there you went and did it.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Not quite like being behind a Ma Deuce

But a hell of a lot safer than being in front of one...

11 posted on 03/10/2006 5:31:09 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: 1rudeboy

Nice!

I spent a lot of quarters on that one, back in the day. That, and Missile Command.


12 posted on 03/10/2006 5:44:54 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster

Missle Command is one of the few video games that I could not bring myself to play. Watching oneself get nuked at the end was too horrible.


13 posted on 03/10/2006 5:46:35 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

we should almost never have to be seen.


14 posted on 03/10/2006 6:11:58 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman
How do you win hearts and minds from inside an up armored humvee?

Sometimes you do have to be seen.

15 posted on 03/10/2006 6:35:12 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Understandable.

Back to tank games, I lamented the removal of Tokyo Wars from the local Dave & Busters. Had kickers in the seat for when you fired the main gun, or got hit, great sound, fun stuff.

http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=538&page=1#1336


16 posted on 03/10/2006 6:36:03 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

That's a really excellent observation.


17 posted on 03/10/2006 6:38:54 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster

I like technology. I like not exposing gunners. But sometimes the man on the gun has to be seen to be believed. Sometimes the driver of the on rushing car has to SEE the look on the gunner's face and back off and nobody dies that day. Such subtlety is not possible with Robo-cop tech.


18 posted on 03/10/2006 6:55:55 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I loved that game. What was it called?


19 posted on 03/10/2006 7:09:36 AM PST by Minn
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To: 1rudeboy

Looks familiar!


20 posted on 03/10/2006 7:12:38 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Minn

I think it was "Battle Zone." You can find it, along with "Asteroids" and "Centipede" for the PC.


21 posted on 03/10/2006 7:15:31 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Minn

Atari BATTLEZONE. There was a free online version, but I can't find it anymore. A web search brings up lots of hits, though.


22 posted on 03/10/2006 7:17:16 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

23 posted on 03/10/2006 7:22:03 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Old Sarge
Political Games
24 posted on 03/10/2006 8:55:27 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: finnman69

Who needs a stinking remote control when you've got a charged Hazardous Environment suit?


25 posted on 03/10/2006 9:03:19 AM PST by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Without a doubt within 50 years we will have unmanned tanks. My childrens generation (I'm 20 now) will fight wars by sitting in a small room hundreds of miles away. My grandchildens generation will be sitting at home while waves of robots controlled by computers fight wars.
26 posted on 03/10/2006 9:07:01 AM PST by RHINO369
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Some of the most frightening players in first person shooters were 7/8 year old kids using the mice to kill anything and everything in their paths.

I hope the turret has a good electric motor on it. Those troops will spin them around so quick it will look like killer robots are on the prowl.

27 posted on 03/10/2006 9:10:50 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam's true face: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J169127BC)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Travis McGee; Squantos

effing cool bump


28 posted on 03/10/2006 9:12:34 AM PST by Lazamataz (We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them.)
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To: finnman69

Half Life.

Haven't played that one for a while. Too busy with HL2 on my Xbox.


29 posted on 03/10/2006 9:13:01 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: 1rudeboy

BattleZone!


30 posted on 03/10/2006 9:14:06 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Quick1; indcons; somniferum; KoRn; Duke Nukum; expat_brit; ...
Video game ping!

If you want on or off this list, Freepmail me

31 posted on 03/10/2006 12:27:30 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Video games can save your life.

Words to live by.

32 posted on 03/10/2006 12:30:57 PM PST by rattrap
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To: RHINO369

I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords...


33 posted on 03/10/2006 12:33:04 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: HamiltonJay

I spent many a Susie B. on the Battlezone game in Fulda or Bad K. when I was with the 11 ACR!

Later on I read that they were going to develop a version to help troopers with fast ID of Pact vehicles. Never happened unfortunately...


34 posted on 03/10/2006 12:37:52 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: finnman69

That was one of my most favorite games. BTW, that was a very hard sequence in that game.


35 posted on 03/10/2006 12:53:40 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: RHINO369
My grandchildens generation will be sitting at home while waves of robots controlled by computers fight wars.

Maybe they'll be hiding from waves of robots searching and destroying all organic lifeforms.....


36 posted on 03/10/2006 3:40:54 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Enders Game by Orson Scott Card

http://www.ender.com/ender/


37 posted on 03/10/2006 3:45:48 PM PST by ParadigmLost (If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

No wonder why liberals want to ban violent video games.


38 posted on 03/10/2006 3:48:01 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Now the Dems will complain that Bush and Rummy didn't give the troops enough XBoxes...


39 posted on 03/10/2006 4:12:17 PM PST by ClashOnBroadway
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To: 1rudeboy
I loved that game!

Haven't seen it in years.

Games have kinda changed a bit . . . huh?

40 posted on 03/13/2006 3:15:41 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Old Sarge
Fox News just showed a CROWS.
41 posted on 03/23/2006 3:27:56 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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