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England: The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state [Essay? What essay?]
VirtueOnline (via Little Green Footballs) ^ | February 19, 2006 | Alasdair Palmer

Posted on 03/11/2006 6:27:18 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

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Found it.....October 6, 2005. President Bush speaks to the National Endowment for Democracy:

...the militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region, and establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia. With greater economic and military and political power, the terrorists would be able to advance their stated agenda: to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people, and to blackmail our government into isolation.

Some might be tempted to dismiss these goals as fanatical or extreme. Well, they are fanatical and extreme -- and they should not be dismissed.
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Evil men, obsessed with ambition and unburdened by conscience, must be taken very seriously -- and we must stop them before their crimes can multiply.

Over the years these extremists have used a litany of excuses for violence -- the Israeli presence on the West Bank, or the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia, or the defeat of the Taliban, or the Crusades of a thousand years ago. In fact, we're not facing a set of grievances that can be soothed and addressed. We're facing a radical ideology with inalterable objectives: to enslave whole nations and intimidate the world.

No act of ours invited the rage of the killers -- and no concession, bribe, or act of appeasement would change or limit their plans for murder.

On the contrary: They target nations whose behavior they believe they can change through violence. Against such an enemy, there is only one effective response: We will never back down, never give in, and never accept anything less than complete victory.

Its leaders pretend to be an aggrieved party, representing the powerless against imperial enemies. In truth they have endless ambitions of imperial domination, and they wish to make everyone powerless except themselves.

There's always a temptation, in the middle of a long struggle, to seek the quiet life, to escape the duties and problems of the world, and to hope the enemy grows weary of fanaticism and tired of murder. This would be a pleasant world, but it's not the world we live in.
The enemy is never tired, never sated, never content with yesterday's brutality. This enemy considers every retreat of the civilized world as an invitation to greater violence.

41 posted on 03/11/2006 9:27:17 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Tony O

Yes, I saw that thread. It'll be interesting to see whether the Germans can carry that off.


42 posted on 03/11/2006 9:48:27 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Brilliant

You can control fire ants, you just have to be hard nosed about it.


43 posted on 03/11/2006 10:03:25 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: WVNan

The answer to the problem is in reply #9.


44 posted on 03/11/2006 10:06:20 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: ScreamingFist

"Your thoughts on this would be appreciated."

There are grains of truth in the article - though he is scaremongering and pushing it to the boundaries to underline his main point. As long as the Sun is the UKs best selling newspaper we are still a huge leap from tolerating pockets of Sharia law! The main point that resintates with me is that we bend over backwards as a nation to be seen to reinforce the quintessential British notion of 'fairplay' to all comers within our borders. We naively let ourselves down when when we extend that 'fairplay' to people who have no intention to recipricate.

Our government took the wrong line on the Danish cartoons - it may indeed give comfort to those who think they can play us for suckers.

I live in a city (Birmingham) that has a % muslim population that would probably send most freepers into a headspin. This proportion is represented in the staff at my UK office. Most British Muslims live decent, hardworking, tax paying, charitable lives. The problem is there is no getting away from the fact that I also live within two miles of a mosque attended by more than one of the failed (14 July) London Bombers. It gets very difficult not to look at every single person with a tan. an overlong beard, and what look to me to be pyjama's and presume they are hostile to all we stand for.

I think second generation British Muslims are struggling to find an idenitity - most I see go the right way - they get a proper job, they reject the yashmack (though some choose to keep headscarves - most go the full western make-up route). I can also tell you they embrace the British Pub Culture if nor our Bacon Butties! However, there is still this (too big) number who reject the core of their adoptive homelands soul and go down the full ultra-conservative path that lead them to strap on Backpacks and climb on commuter trains. What we need is for the ones who live the 'British' life, to stop having so much fun, and take responsibility in their own community for rejecting the immans - and forcing the point that there is such a thing as a secular muslim and making a show of it. I fear they don't appreciate that these 'moderate' muslims are loosing the PR battle so badly it is difficult for those who don't live in proximity of them to accept they even exisit. In fact I don't think they realise that they aren't even IN the PR Battle.


45 posted on 03/11/2006 11:59:36 AM PST by Brit_Guy
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Thanks for the post BG, a different view into a difficult problem.

I've only been to Great Britain once, circa 1993....next time I go I'll ckeck out these "Bacon Butties"......I assume it's edible although to many it might sound....errrr...erotic. Regards.

46 posted on 03/11/2006 3:05:41 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Justanobody

Good find....thanks.


47 posted on 03/11/2006 3:06:40 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: WVNan

I do not think he means forbidding faith based other schools but is against muslim state schools being established which some muslims are pushing for.

Most of our junior state schools are Church of England part funded.


48 posted on 03/11/2006 6:02:36 PM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: Gritty

I think most people in Britain are aware of the problem but really do not know what to do about it.


49 posted on 03/11/2006 6:03:32 PM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: ScreamingFist

bacon sandwiches made with crispy hot bacon, I also like fried onions in mine.


50 posted on 03/11/2006 6:13:34 PM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: snugs
bacon sandwiches made with crispy hot bacon, I also like fried onions in mine.

Just bacon and veggies? Like a bacon, lettuce and tomato samwich in the US, BLT?

51 posted on 03/11/2006 6:23:00 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Brilliant

Muslims are like fire ants. You just can't control them.



Therefore it's important that we continue to buy "DANSK" as much as possible!!!


52 posted on 03/11/2006 6:52:31 PM PST by danamco
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To: snugs
I think most people in Britain are aware of the problem but really do not know what to do about it

Somehow or other, we are all going to have to come to grips with this deadly menace called Islam. If we can't - or won't - it will be the end of us and our way of life.

53 posted on 03/11/2006 8:01:31 PM PST by Gritty (The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men – Psalm 12:8)
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