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To: RS; jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks; USF; Kretek; Marine Inspector; Chemist_Geek; gondramB
The western world has to be careful how they respond to islamofacists. A test like this would quickly evolve into list of political correctness without which you can't enter the country. Real terrorists will just lie on the test..unless they hooked them up to electrodes, I suppose.

I believe gondramB has hit the nail on the head. This takes us back to the good ol' border thread days...if those who wish to do us harm can deny their intent and religion, what good does it do to ask? We must think deeper than the knee-jerk responses if we wish to truly defend ourselves and our way of life.

12 posted on 03/12/2006 10:25:16 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

No Problem - We've already got it covered in the visa application DS-156 -

"Do you seek to enter the United States to engage in export control violations, subversive or terrorist activities, or any other unlawful purpose? Are you a member or representative of a terrorist organization as currently designated by the U.S. Secretary of State?"

https://evisaforms.state.gov/ds156.asp?lang=1


16 posted on 03/12/2006 10:35:27 AM PST by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Gondring

"...We must think deeper than the knee-jerk responses if we wish to truly defend ourselves and our way of life."

Methinks Germany may be heading in the right direction. Three or four southern states have begun the process of a legal challenge to the koran. There are some 200 'verses' in the 'holy' book incompatible with the German constitution.

The outcome should be interesting. Now there's an exercise for all of us...pick up the koran and identify the offending items, it shouldn't be too difficult.

PS. Don't bother telling me the same applies to the OT. Western culture doesn't practice OT laws from millenia ago, but muslims are taught they must follow for all time the example of mohammad. Islam decrees homosexuals should be killed. Are we OK with that? I am not.

Here's an example from Australia:


365Gay.com Newscenter
Asia Bureau Chief

Posted: December 7, 2003 4:34 p.m. ET


(Melbourne, Australia) Police in Victoria state are investing one of Australia's most senior Islamic clerics after receiving complaints he incited his followers to attack gays.

The complaint alleges that Rexhep Idrizi was reading from the Koran when he made derogatory comments about gays saying they should have "their heads chopped off".

Idrizi is chairman of the Board of Imams. The outburst occurred before 1000 worshippers at a prayer service.

"It's just spite from idiots," the Iman said. "All I said was that homosexuality is prohibited in Islam.

"I wouldn't encourage anyone to attack my enemy," Idrizi told the Herald Sun newspaper. "And if you put this in the paper, it's discrimination against Islam and we will defend ourselves."

But worshipper Asip Demiri, who was at the service, told the paper that Idrizi had verbally attacked gays.

"I couldn't believe it. I was sitting there with my son and he comes out with comments as if the Koran says it's OK to attack homosexuals," Demiri told the Herald Sun. "He told us they should have their heads chopped off.

"My son asked me if what the Imam said was true and I said 'No, it's not'. Then, he wanted to know if the Imam was lying and I couldn't give him an answer that would make any sense.

"We go there to pray, not to listen to that kind of rubbish. There were a lot of intelligent people there who were offended by it. He (Imam Idrizi) needs to be taken to task for it, because it gives Muslims a bad name," Demiri said.

Inciting violence is illegal under state law, which was recently expanded to include gays.

Last year, Imam Idrizi's son was jailed for four years and eight months, with a minimum of 15 months, for bashing gays.

Muhamed Idrizi, 20, and four others attacked a cyclist with a machete and bashed and robbed two other men. The court heard that the group had gone on what he called a "puffter bashing" mission.

One victim was repeatedly kicked, punched and struck over the head with a machete in a park.

The gang then robbed the man, stripped him and taunted him with homophobic epithets.



34 posted on 03/12/2006 2:11:44 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: Gondring

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1594464/posts

Here's the link to the article I referred to about Germany:

(and a snip)

The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (ED:chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed.

Example: “The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): They are the vilest of all creatures.” (Sura 98:6)

According to the indictment that paragraph violates Article 4 of the Constitution and Paragraph 166 of the Penal Code.


47 posted on 03/12/2006 4:58:19 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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