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To: Question_Assumptions

Why do you insist on comparing an ABERRATION of Christianity- like the BTK- with Muslims who would be FOLLOWING THE KORAN if they kill tens of thousands of people?
Christianity didn't TELL the BTK to do violence. Islam DOES.
You want to examine the BTK with his 'religion', yet keep Muslim terrorists apart from theirs.
It is the DOCTRINE that is at fault with Islam. It is the doctrine that is terrorizing the world now, because it's being obeyed.
If someone in my church is the next BTK - he is an ABERRATION and my religion does not condone and applaud him. Show me a cleric that encouraged that serial killing. The world is FULL of Imams who are encouraging 'jihad'.
One does not have to be a Muslim to be a liar- but Islam is the only 'religion' that ENCOURAGES lying.


151 posted on 03/14/2006 9:11:21 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Why do you insist on comparing an ABERRATION of Christianity- like the BTK- with Muslims who would be FOLLOWING THE KORAN if they kill tens of thousands of people?

Because the issue I was reponding to was how can we really tell that a seemingly good Muslim isn't just a liar waiting to murder infidels. My response is that we have that problem with everyone, not just Muslims. How do we really know that someone who professes to be a good Christian isn't a mass murder? We don't. But somehow we manage to life life without distrusting all Christians.

Christianity didn't TELL the BTK to do violence. Islam DOES.

Some Muslims claim it does. Other claim it doesn't. Some Christians claim the Bible tells them to do violence. In the big scheme of things it takes more than a religion to turn a person into an angel or a sociopath.

You want to examine the BTK with his 'religion', yet keep Muslim terrorists apart from theirs.

My point is that professed religion is irrelevant for trust. Maybe good Muslims are bad Muslims but there are still good Muslims. Maybe BTK was a bad Christian, but nobody could tell. That's why it's absurd to rely on a single high-level categorization like this. It is the DOCTRINE that is at fault with Islam. It is the doctrine that is terrorizing the world now, because it's being obeyed.

There are Muslims who disagree over what the DOCTRINE demands of them. As others have pointed out, it's no mistake that a lot of the fanaticism comes from Arab culture or other provincial tribal cultures (e.g., the Taliban). A lot of the more urbane and educated Muslims are not nearly so militant or fanatical. You'll find militant and violent Christian groups (e.g., Christian Identity movement) recruiting from the same sorts of demographic groups in the US for the same reasons. It has less to do with religion than you think.

If someone in my church is the next BTK - he is an ABERRATION and my religion does not condone and applaud him.

The question was one of trust, not how well a person is following their religion. My point was that you can't really know that any person, whether they call themselves Christian or Muslim, is not really evil in their heart if they are willing to lie and hide it well enough.

Show me a cleric that encouraged that serial killing.

Open a history book. You can find plenty of Christian clerics historically calling for the equivalent of "jihad". As I pointed out in another thread, it wasn't a Muslim who coined the phrase, "Kill them all and God will know his own."

The world is FULL of Imams who are encouraging 'jihad'.

Correct. And that's a problem. There are also plenty of Muslims who have no interest in their brand of "jihad". There is a reason why they are starting to send retarded people out to blow themselves up. Apparently most Muslims are not eager to be martyrs for the militants.

One does not have to be a Muslim to be a liar- but Islam is the only 'religion' that ENCOURAGES lying.

Is that from the Koran, Hadiths, or Sunna? Do all Muslims believe that as a matter of doctrine or only some?

162 posted on 03/14/2006 9:31:24 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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