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To: marron

Most Christians do not kill people based on their religious beliefs. Some Muslims do kill people, and cite passages in the Koran to justify their actions.

As an aside ponder these items:

The Koran states that Abraham, Moses and Jesus of the bible were Muslims. Quite a feat since Islam was founded 600+ years after Jesus was born. But that is OK since Islam's "prophet" Mohammed says the Koran was written before Abraham, and even Adam & Eve were born, The Koran was not written down in words until 300+ years after Mohammed died. Prior to that time it was related verbally from memory. Also conveniently omitted from the Koran are the Ten Commandments, which makes the story of Moses in the Bible completely false.

There is no verifiable evidence to determine that events described in the Koran are accurate. There are thousands of historical documents and other evidence validating events, dates, names and places in the Bible.


80 posted on 03/14/2006 7:38:43 PM PST by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: gpapa
Most Christians do not kill people based on their religious beliefs.

Currently, this is true. But historically, there have been periods when Christians killed plenty of people based on their religious beliefs, not only non-Christians, the Cathars, and plenty of Jews but also Christians who belonged to a different sect. Does the 30 Years War or St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre ring a bell?

Some Muslims do kill people, and cite passages in the Koran to justify their actions.

Plenty of Christians did that, too. Ask some Jews why they were so touchy about The Passion and ask Mel Gibson why he removed the Biblical line "Let his blood be on us and on our children!" [NIV] from the movie.

It's true that Christians got over that sort of nonsense, but it took centuries. The question is whether Islam can. Ignoring the question of whether Islam is right or wrong or whether they'd all be better off as Christians, I think there is evidence that it can and ways that it can, though not if militants continue to control the face of the religion.

The Koran states that Abraham, Moses and Jesus of the bible were Muslims. Quite a feat since Islam was founded 600+ years after Jesus was born. But that is OK since Islam's "prophet" Mohammed says the Koran was written before Abraham, and even Adam & Eve were born, The Koran was not written down in words until 300+ years after Mohammed died. Prior to that time it was related verbally from memory. Also conveniently omitted from the Koran are the Ten Commandments, which makes the story of Moses in the Bible completely false.

Consider this passage in the Bible. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." [KJV] Yet if Jesus was born in Bethlehem, how could he have pre-existed the creation of the Earth? What Muslims believe about the Koran is very similar to what Christians believe about Jesus. As for disputing the Bible, there are plenty of Archaeologists who not only dispute the Bible stories but doubt, based on the evidence they've found, that Moses ever existed or the Exodus ever happened. Yes, the Koran disputes the Bible on several key points. That, alone, is not surprising nor necessarily damning as an argument.

There is no verifiable evidence to determine that events described in the Koran are accurate. There are thousands of historical documents and other evidence validating events, dates, names and places in the Bible.

There are plenty of archaeologists that dispute that. For example, the mainstream of Biblical archaeology seems to be having a very difficult time finding the kingdom of David and Solomon that the Bible claims existed. It has trouble finding evidence of the Exodus. If I remember correctly, the contemporary non-Biblical evidence for Jesus consists of two sentences in Josephus and even they may have been tampered with by later Christians and the earliest New Testament texts that we have not only date to quite a bit after Jesus' life (some think much later than the optimistic dates often cited) but there are alternate versions of the Gospels such as the Thomas Gospel that parallel some of the material in the Bible but were suppressed. Even though there are also those who do believe the evidence supports the Bible (and I personally do more than some of the real pessimists who sometimes go so far as to claim that the whole thing was just made up), the point is that it's not nearly as clearly validated as you are claiming it is.

91 posted on 03/14/2006 7:59:17 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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