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Best and Worst Neighborhoods to Buy a Home
Biz.Yahoooo.com ^ | Sara Clemence

Posted on 03/17/2006 12:55:51 PM PST by ex-Texan

The south Los Angeles neighborhood of Watts has been notorious for many things, among them race riots, poverty and gang warfare.

Now it can be known as a great real estate investment.

Over the past few years, rising property prices have rocked the state of California with an earthquake-like vengeance. Luxury subdivisions have filled hillsides, bidding wars have pumped up home sales, and teardowns have sold for more than $1 million. Los Angeles saw home prices increase about 50% from 2003 to 2005, according to the National Association of Realtors, a trade group based in Washington, D.C. The median sales price for an existing home in L.A. stood at $529,000 at the end of last year.

One might think that the bulk of that appreciation came in wealthy and well-known enclaves like Beverly Hills or Bel-Air. But according to a Forbes.com ZIP code analysis, within the Watts ZIP of 90059, home prices rose 91.9%; more than any other ZIP in Los Angeles. Meanwhile, had you sunk your funds into the upscale neighborhood of Holmby Hills, you would have the least amount of appreciation in the city--under 9% from 2003 through 2005.

It is a pattern that held true in several of the largest cities in the U.S. over the past two years. Long-coveted areas, such as Pacific Heights in San Francisco, Buckhead in Atlanta or the Upper East Side in New York, were not the best performers. Instead, in many metros, neighborhoods with lower median incomes, neglected housing stock and low prices, or areas that were dominated by office or industrial space, have surged forward.

For investment performance, think Miami's Little Havana, where prices increased more than 150% over the last two years. Or the tough Northern Liberties section of Philadelphia, which went up 70%. Or Manhattan's Lower East Side, where tenements that once sheltered struggling immigrants are now occupied by high-priced lawyers, and the median home price is more than $650,000, according to real estate appraisal and consulting firm Miller Samuel.

"In the past, you would expect that neighborhoods with higher median incomes would have stronger demand for homes," says David Lereah, senior vice president and chief economist for the NAR. "Lower-income neighborhoods will have more renters. Higher-income areas will have more demand from people wanting to climb the ladder. It means that some things have changed."

As prices have increased, some of the most desirable neighborhoods--which have always been more expensive--have topped out, becoming unaffordable for many home buyers. So instead of buying charming but overpriced stone homes in the leafy Baltimore neighborhood of Guilford, for example, young families turned to blue-collar areas near the water, rehabbing old row houses that seemed cheap in comparison.

Jonas Lee, a founder and managing partner of Redbrick Partners in Manhattan, a private investment fund that puts money into single-family homes, is not surprised. His company targets just such urban areas for investment.

"It takes people a while to figure it out, but there's a very large arbitrage between these neighborhoods and some of the nicer neighborhoods," Lee says. "Once that price differential is large enough, people start to recognize the opportunities, and then there's a sort of a herd mentality. It's leading to the revitalization of neighborhoods that had not seen a lot of investment for a long period off time."

This shifting of money isn't limited to individual neighborhoods--it mirrors a national trend.

"I call it the 'rolling boom,' " Lereah says. "Vegas to Reno was the first thing we saw."

In 2004, the median home price for Las Vegas went up a startling 52%, he says. But by 2005, it had dropped to 12%.

"What happened was, Reno went up 32%," he says. "Then it appeared the boom rolled to Phoenix. You saw similar things in Boston; first Boston got the boom, then it rolled to Providence, R.I., and the air came out of the balloon in Boston."

Not every city we looked at fit the rolling-boom pattern, however. Metro areas such as Dallas and Minneapolis-St. Paul have not seen tremendous real estate price gains in recent years. In Dallas, where the median existing home price went up 6% last year, according to NAR, the greatest appreciation is still coming in more established, pricier neighborhoods. Same goes for Minneapolis-St. Paul, where prices overall rose 4.5% in 2005. Prices are difficult to pin down in Phoenix, which has seen tremendous growth; a new community can spring up in a year, utterly and suddenly altering the prices in a neighborhood.

To get a snapshot of how prices have been moving, we turned to Brooklyn-based real estate data firm OnBoard for numbers on all cities, except for parts of New York. For 20 of the largest metropolitan areas in the country, OnBoard gathered the median home prices from 2003 to 2005 for all the ZIP codes the U.S. Postal Service associates with each city. We tossed out ZIP codes that had fewer than 30 sales in any year during that period because they would not reliably show trends. We then searched for the best performing and worst performing in each city since 2003 and determined the neighborhood or neighborhoods primarily associated with each ZIP.

For New York City, OnBoard gave us ZIP codes for four of the five boroughs. Because 85% of the apartments in Manhattan are cooperatives, which do not have to publicly list property transfers, we turned to real estate appraisal and consuling firm Miller Samuel for the inside scoop.

See the best and worst neighborhoods to buy a home.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bubbles; housing; realestate; topten
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To: ex-Texan
Who in their right mind would pay nearly a million dollars for a home in a South Central crime neighborhood? Here is a good example of a $ 750,000 California home:

Baloney. That house would probably sell for around $100,000 to $150,000. Still too much, but your example is ludicrous.

I just checked the MLS and you can still buy a 5000 square foot house in south central/watts LA for about $300,000.

41 posted on 03/17/2006 2:00:18 PM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: VegasCowboy
I spend a few days in San Diego every year for work, and I absolutely love it. One of the nicest cities and best climates in our great country.

Yea, it's great as long as you never own a gun, love taxes off the chart and don't mind being hip deep in illegals. But hey, the climate is nice.....

42 posted on 03/17/2006 2:00:22 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: P-Marlowe
I just checked the MLS and you can still buy a 5000 square foot house in south central/watts LA for about $300,000.

And you can buy a 5000 SF house in the "medical district" of Fort Worth for $40,000....what's your point...?

43 posted on 03/17/2006 2:03:57 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: ex-Texan
Here is a good example of a $ 750,000 California home:

That's a $29,000 house in my area.

44 posted on 03/17/2006 2:04:01 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: Decepticon
I see. Have you ever thought of selling your home and buying 5000 acres in Wyoming, building a 4000 sq. ft. palace for your family and doing your programing and business on-line....like the rest of us hicks?

Please note that I've never used terms like "hicks" to refer to anyone who chooses to live elsewhere - you might be reading things in my post that aren't there. It's just that I and many other people prefer to live in California - great weather most of the year, great colleges, great job opportunities with established firms, great start-up incubator in the Bay Area, great cultural diversity in the major cities.

Despite the governmental mismanagement, most of California is still a wonderful place to live in.
45 posted on 03/17/2006 2:04:02 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: So Cal Rocket
Actually, unlike Yogi Berra's nonsequetor, my statement is true. There are dozens of news reports about people moving away on the Internet. Here is One Dated March 16, 2006
46 posted on 03/17/2006 2:05:29 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Exactly. It is like the beach, it is nice to know you can go at any time. You dont have to but if you have ever lived in the middle of West Texas, ( as I did in college) it is an awful feeling being 8 hours from anything.


47 posted on 03/17/2006 2:08:37 PM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Despite the governmental mismanagement, most of California is still a wonderful place to live in.

I've been to California, I loved the state. But the politics, greed and illegals will be its undoing.....unfortunately. France on the West coast.

48 posted on 03/17/2006 2:09:21 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: ex-Texan
Who in their right mind would pay nearly a million dollars for a home in a South Central crime neighborhood? Here is a good example of a $ 750,000 California home:

I did 3 years ago, for $545K and sold it last summer for $869K. For the 2.5 years I owned it I rented out it's 4 units and better than broke even on monthly expenses.

Of course that gain was peanuts compared to our home in a better Los Angeles neighborhood, held for 7 years.

Thanks to those 2 properties I quit my corporate job and now live in a free and clear waterfront property in WA.

49 posted on 03/17/2006 2:09:43 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Decepticon

Seriesly. For that kind of money you can build your own paradise in flyover country. And not have to share it with others.


50 posted on 03/17/2006 2:10:21 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: P-Marlowe
Not baloney! The truth! That is a photo of a real house in Culver City listed for sale at $ 750,000. The MLS number is 05-029011. View more POS, over priced California real estate HERE
51 posted on 03/17/2006 2:11:04 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Walkingfeather

See... I just can't do it. My daughter wants to move to Williams AZ where we vacationed this year. I'm like, WAIT, we can't surf, no tidepools, no coastal flowers/hikes, nope nope nope.


52 posted on 03/17/2006 2:12:24 PM PST by Hi Heels (Don't you wish there were a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence?)
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To: commish

There are tons of communities in Alabama which are great to live in.

Montgomery?

I'll pass.


53 posted on 03/17/2006 2:12:26 PM PST by jra
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To: Cementjungle
Thanks to those 2 properties I quit my corporate job and now live in a free and clear waterfront property in WA.

You chose wisely and know when to quit pulling the slot machine handle.....

Now, about Washington state.....

54 posted on 03/17/2006 2:15:47 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: stands2reason
or that kind of money you can build your own paradise in flyover country.

That was my point :). It's amazing so few seem, or don't want, to understand it.....

55 posted on 03/17/2006 2:18:10 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: Decepticon
Now, about Washington state.....

My county is growing by leaps and bounds, although it won't be as crazy as LA was. We have already bought our first investment duplex here, and it'll pay for itself until we sell it. I'll be happy with the projected 10%/year gain for the next few years. If that doesn't happen, it'll still support itself.

56 posted on 03/17/2006 2:22:12 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Decepticon
Nicely stated, Decepticon!

About Washington State: Prices up there are about two years behind hyper-inflated Oregon. They are averaging about $ 100k less with some exceptions for prime locations in Seattle.

By the way, there is a new real estate company having it's grand opening in Portland. The name of the outfit is POS(H) Homes, Inc.

57 posted on 03/17/2006 2:23:23 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Cementjungle
I'll be happy with the projected 10%/year gain for the next few years. If that doesn't happen, it'll still support itself.

Exactly. You understand the risks and the gains, you're very good at what you do, I'm guessing you're actually gainfully employed, probably your spouse also....and you don't rely on your real estate income to fill your bank account.

Now take a good look at the home at the beginning of this thread.....$750,000, I ask?

58 posted on 03/17/2006 2:55:04 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: Decepticon
Now take a good look at the home at the beginning of this thread.....$750,000, I ask?

True. That's really stretching it! Besides, I don't hold much hope for Los Angeles' future (taxes are going nutz, people are moving out, etc.).

59 posted on 03/17/2006 2:59:28 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Decepticon

Yeah, I was agreeing with you.

They act like the Midwest and South are overrun with sulfuric lavapits giving off miasmic vapors. I feel a bit insulted...


60 posted on 03/17/2006 3:09:39 PM PST by stands2reason
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