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Still Looking for that Smoking Gun in Iraq [David Corn on captured documents]
The Nation ^ | 3-17-2006 | David Corn

Posted on 03/17/2006 1:35:58 PM PST by johnny7

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To: jveritas

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

New Documents from Saddam Hussein's Archives Discuss Bin Laden, WMDs
U.S. Government Releases Papers From Saddam's Reign
March 16, 2006 — - Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of four of the nine Iraqi documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which were released by the U.S. government Wednesday.

The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.

The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm.

Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.


"Osama bin Laden and the Taliban"
Document dated Sept. 15, 2001

An Iraqi intelligence service document saying that their Afghani informant, who's only identified by a number, told them that the Afghani Consul Ahmed Dahastani claimed the following in front of him:

That OBL and the Taliban are in contact with Iraq and that a group of Taliban and bin Laden group members visited Iraq.
That the U.S. has proof the Iraqi government and "bin Laden's group" agreed to cooperate to attack targets inside America.
That in case the Taliban and bin Laden's group turn out to be involved in "these destructive operations," the U.S. may strike Iraq and Afghanistan.
That the Afghani consul heard about the issue of Iraq's relationship with "bin Laden's group" while he was in Iran.

At the end, the writer recommends informing "the committee of intentions" about the above-mentioned items. The signature on the document is unclear.

(Editor's Note: The controversial claim that Osama bin Laden was cooperating with Saddam Hussein is an ongoing matter of intense debate. While the assertions contained in this document clearly support the claim, the sourcing is questionable -- i.e. an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul." The date of the document -- four days after 9/11 -- is worth noting but without further corroboration, this document is of limited evidentiary value.)


21 posted on 03/17/2006 1:55:51 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: johnny7

This polls needs a good freeper participation!!!

Can somebody link this for me???

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13514417,00.html


22 posted on 03/17/2006 1:55:58 PM PST by danamco
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To: traderrob6
Willfull ignorance is the definition of being obtuse and Corn is the master of it.

He is afterall, a flaming liberal.

23 posted on 03/17/2006 1:56:35 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: johnny7

One thing we know for certain. Saddam Hussein will never be able to develop any WMD in the future. Is Corn unhappy about that?


24 posted on 03/17/2006 2:01:37 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: PISANO
... So therefore an acceptable amount of WMD is a WEAPON of MASS DESTRUCTION that would KILL only an ACCEPTABLE amount of people?!...

No, an acceptable WMD is one that kills only Jews and/or Republicans.

25 posted on 03/17/2006 2:01:51 PM PST by Fatuncle (Of course I'm ignorant. I'm here to learn.)
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To: PISANO
Has there ever been an acceptable amount of WMD where it can just be overlooked as meaningless?

I've never heard just what the threshhold is for prepared and stored WMDs. I assume for each type there is a certain threshhold...except for uranium as Saddam had a lot of that...but anyway. David Kay documents quite well the attempt to destroy all vestiges of the WMD program before the troops arrived, but just having the recipe and the means to bake a cake are not as significant as having the cake itself I suppose.
26 posted on 03/17/2006 2:02:07 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: jveritas

Who do you think knew more about Iraq and al Qaeda, and Iraq and WMD?

Would it be David Kay? or Saddam and his intelligence agencies?

Whose documents would you think could give you the truest picture? A USA assessment after the fact?, or the records and actual files of the Iraqi government during the years in question?

David, It would be better to be a Corn-ball than a fool.




27 posted on 03/17/2006 2:03:45 PM PST by inpajamas
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To: johnny7

Idiots like this will never get it no matter what evidence slaps them in the face even if the evidence means a possibility of their death.


28 posted on 03/17/2006 2:03:58 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: All
I recall David Kay saying.. "Saddam was a BIGGER THREAT than we even knew."
I bet Corn thinks Al Capone was a perfectly legitimate businessman who didn't pay his taxes!!!
29 posted on 03/17/2006 2:04:27 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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To: jveritas
I believe they were told by the top command to do so, they do not want show the world that they connections with AL Qaeda but rather keep it secret affair.

After reading it... I would concur the same. For Corn to come out with such a premature assessment of what the documents contain is a joke in itself.

30 posted on 03/17/2006 2:05:39 PM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: johnny7

Yep, I see the lefties are right on cue. There was no link between Iraq and Al Queda and there were never ever any WMD's. The MSM and the far left (oh wait, what is the difference) have written that in stone and will NEVER EVER edit it, even in the face of evidence. Even worse, the administration was content to let them write it, was caught flat footed as the partisan operatives in the CIA undermined them, and acquiesced to the "Bush lied people died" propaganda.

That it took so much time and pressure to get damning documents and tapes released is simply astounding. These should have been released along with a concerted effort to refute those who believe and sold the notion that there were never WMD's and that America's enemies would never collaborate on an attack like 9/11 due to ideological differences. (If I had a dime for every time I heard how Al Queda would never collaborate with Saddam because they wanted to overthrow him. Just like we never would have collaborated with the Soviets to defeat Fascist Germany. Once the larger enemy was defeated, then we duked it out.) The notion of no collaboration between Iraq and Queda has is now taken as gospel and is ingrained in many a voter's mind (as is the no WMD's mantra).

It isn't too late for the Administration to actually inject a truth float into the MSM and dems fantasy parade. As a matter of fact, it is necessary as the latest trend from the dems is to downplay 9/11 as if it were an isolated event and not that big a deal in the larger scope of things. In other words, lets put our heads back in the sand like during the Clinton years.

But, the Administration needs a plan that is better than, "hey, lets just release these documents/tapes and the truth will get out via the MSM who truly have our, and the country's, bestest interests at heart." The MSM is welded to their Bush lied story line and having evidence of WMD's or Saddam's links to terrorism show up would be, at the least, inconvenient. As can be seen from the ABC editor's notes, they won't permit it. Moreover, they just won't report it as it does not move their agenda ahead. (Who can blame them really, as the MSM is a propaganda branch of the democrat party. Thus, why would they do anything to help the other party out?)

The Administration can't take a passive approach with these documents/tapes (autopilot seems to be the state of operation for this Administration lately on a wide variety of issues). They need to make everyone they can available for interviews to Fox, to Rush, to Sean, to whoever to discuss these documents. The President, God forbid, needs to set a new, new tone and thump the podium about these and call them what they are, EVIDENCE!!! Even better, how about an advertisement or two telling people who has really been lying while our soldiers have been dying.


31 posted on 03/17/2006 2:05:59 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: johnny7

I think Corn and his cronies on the Left are very scared that these documents will eventually establish a lot of the facts that the Left and their media have tried to lie about and distort over the past three to four years.


32 posted on 03/17/2006 2:09:03 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: FlipWilson

Yeah. It's very difficult to undersand why Rove and Co. are not out front on this. What else do they have to do that could be more important?


33 posted on 03/17/2006 2:10:08 PM PST by kjo
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

David Kay also said Saddam was fully capable of restarting any of his programs and had the desire to do so.


34 posted on 03/17/2006 2:10:19 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: johnny7
It looks like Mr. Cornhole has an agenda...


35 posted on 03/17/2006 2:13:17 PM PST by jimbo123
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David needs to go here and start reading the links:

The Iraq Documents
various FR links | 03-17-06 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1598064/posts

Tp quote Oriana Fallaci, who calls commentators like Corn "cicadas," “You see them every day on television; you read them every day in the newspapers” — who deny they are in the midst of a cultural, political and existential war with Islam, of which terrorism is the flashiest, but ultimately least important component.

Source link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/833678/posts?page=5505#5505


36 posted on 03/17/2006 2:13:40 PM PST by backhoe
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To: jveritas

My personal opinion is that the administration is going to dribble these docs out slowly so people like yourself in the blogospere can dissect them and bring new revelations to light daily. It's masterful in it's genious because it will have a cumulative effect over time rather than does dumping it all at once..

Akin to death death by a thousand cuts.


37 posted on 03/17/2006 2:17:22 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

Corn is just being his predictable Marxist self.


38 posted on 03/17/2006 2:20:45 PM PST by gaspar
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To: traderrob6

I am ready to help all the way :)


39 posted on 03/17/2006 2:25:10 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: finnman69
So true.. not to mention Saddam Keep firing on our military planes while we were patrolling the UN MANDATED "no fly" zone.. and that's just for starters!
40 posted on 03/17/2006 2:27:41 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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