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NC Wants Smith & Wesson to Replace Faulty Revolvers
News & Observer ^ | 03/18/06 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/19/2006 8:10:48 AM PST by Copernicus

Faced with problems ranging from misfires to barrels breaking off, the state has asked gun maker Smith & Wesson to replace hundreds of sidearms carried by probation and corrections officers.

None of the revolvers have failed in the line of duty, and for now, the department is keeping the guns in service. But in testing, about one in four revolvers didn't fire when the trigger was pulled. In some cases, the barrel of some models broke off when the gun was fired.

"In one sense it's funny," said Chief Deputy Correction Secretary Dan Stieneke. "In another, it's alarming."

(Excerpt) Read more at newsobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: North Carolina
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Call me crazy, but there is something fishy here. Barrels falling off? Even Smith and Wesson is better than that.

Best regards to all,

1 posted on 03/19/2006 8:10:55 AM PST by Copernicus
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To: Copernicus

Considering that the vast majority of agencies transitioned to the semiauto pistol in the 80s and 90s, one wonders just how old these revolvers are.

If its like one agency I'm aware of, they may be over 80 years old - someone found a crate of revolvers in the armory and discovered that they were old Peacemakers - still carried on the books as ready-to-issue.


2 posted on 03/19/2006 8:15:13 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Copernicus

Considerable discussion of this at the S&W Forum. Looks like a possible metallurgical problem to me. It happens. There was a batch of 624's that had cylinder problems.

3 posted on 03/19/2006 8:16:07 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Spktyr

Nah, post pinned barrel (~1984 or later) stainless revolvers, using the new crushfit barrel of the time.


4 posted on 03/19/2006 8:17:06 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Spktyr

Ahem ... reading the article says the ones that would misfire were bought in 2004.


But I do smell a rat here - Revolvers would seem to have very little to go wrong and cause that many misfires...


5 posted on 03/19/2006 8:21:18 AM PST by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Copernicus

I don't believe a word of this article.


6 posted on 03/19/2006 8:21:52 AM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: Spktyr
So far, the state Correction Department has asked the Massachusetts-based gun maker to replace only 500 Model 64 revolvers bought in 2004, though there have also been problems with two other models. But officials could wind up asking Smith & Wesson to provide replacements for all 5,000 of the department's revolvers.

The Model 64 .38 special +P is still being sold and given the purchase date, these are not vintage S&W revolvers. This could be a QC issue after all. Not good for S&W's new American owners if true.

7 posted on 03/19/2006 8:23:09 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("If I were a Cuban, I'd certainly be on a raft," Isane Aparicio Busto)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Just another reason to not issue revolvers, IMHO.


8 posted on 03/19/2006 8:25:26 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: NonValueAdded

2004 vintage would have the floating firing pin, as opposed to the one mounted directly on the hammer. In my experience, these are more likely to have FTF if the mainspring is messed with, or the strain screw is backed out. This might be the fault of a shadetree armorer in pursuit of a lighter DA pull.

This vintage would also have the much reviled internal lock.

The barrel issue looks like QC to me.


9 posted on 03/19/2006 8:26:56 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Spktyr
Just another reason to not issue revolvers, IMHO.

Shame, I've got several dozen that always go pop when pulled. But then again, I'm not professional enough to shoot myself in the leg with a Glock. :)

10 posted on 03/19/2006 8:28:28 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Squantos; Eaker; PoorMuttly; humblegunner

Guns flying apart ping!


11 posted on 03/19/2006 8:29:39 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I trust they ruled out an ammo issue. Do you have a link to the S&W forum? Sounds like a good place to browse.


12 posted on 03/19/2006 8:32:13 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("If I were a Cuban, I'd certainly be on a raft," Isane Aparicio Busto)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

They need to standardize on the new S&W M&P..

See S&W stock price...SWB.....breakout.


13 posted on 03/19/2006 8:34:18 AM PST by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
This vintage would also have the much reviled internal lock.

I wonder if the Colt King Cobra also has this. I've got one that won't open.

14 posted on 03/19/2006 8:34:54 AM PST by zeeba neighba
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Perhaps, but six rounds before an agonizingly slow reload (even with a speed loader) just isn't enough.

Especially when there are better alternatives - it's not 1835 any more, why should you use a weapon from that era? Here's a couple favorites:


15 posted on 03/19/2006 8:37:27 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Older S&W's rule. Although I do have a recent 625 that seems to be reliable.


16 posted on 03/19/2006 8:38:07 AM PST by umgud (gitrdun)
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To: Spktyr
These are corrections officers ... the simplicity of a revolver is probably the most important procurement spec ... that and six rounds is probably all you want a convict to have once they gain posession of the firearm. just kidding
17 posted on 03/19/2006 8:39:53 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("If I were a Cuban, I'd certainly be on a raft," Isane Aparicio Busto)
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To: Copernicus

To the anti-gun nuts: This is what a "defective product" in the firearms industry is.


18 posted on 03/19/2006 8:44:46 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Tijeras_Slim

That doesn't look good. I'm going to have to go over and read some of that stuff.


19 posted on 03/19/2006 8:46:41 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: umgud

I have a Brittish police issue model S & W although it is a .357 magnum, the barrel is stamped 38 special. It seems that people taking the mod. 66, 626, as well as other .357's are using .357 magnum ammo at the range, when in fact S & W said .38 special ammo should be used during practice, and .357 used for carry. The heavy, continuous loads of .357 magnum ammo has a tendency to crack the forcing cone, at the bottom of the barrel, this problem has been documented since the late 1970's.


20 posted on 03/19/2006 8:48:13 AM PST by JABBERBONK
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