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Army tightens weapons policy
Fairbanks News-Miner ^ | March 19, 2006 | Margaret Friedenauer

Posted on 03/19/2006 8:25:01 PM PST by Graybeard58

A new U.S. Army Alaska policy penned this week forbids soldiers from carrying privately owned concealed weapons in public, despite being stationed in a state with one of the most liberal concealed weapons laws in the country.

The move, officials said, is in response to several incidents involving soldiers and their personal concealed weapons.

"In the last six to eight months, there has been a number of incidents involving soldiers and privately-owned concealed weapons that indicated a need to look at this policy," said Maj. Kirk Gohlke, U.S. Army Alaska public affairs officer.

Gohlke noted the trial of three Fort Wainwright soldiers currently unfolding in court. A jury is deliberating the fate of Lionel Wright, Freddy Walker and Christopher Cox, who are on trial for the August death of Alvin "Snoop" Wilkins. The three soldiers claim self defense in brandishing personal weapons during a confrontation that killed Wilkins.

Gohlke said there have been seven other instances involving U.S. Army Alaska soldiers and personal concealed weapons in Fairbanks and Anchorage although he couldn't comment on specifics.

According to the new policy, "Soldiers who fail to comply are subject to adverse administrative action or punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice or both."

U.S. Army Alaska also prohibits anyone--military or civilian--from having or transporting a concealed weapon at any time on a USARAK installation, a policy that has been in place for some time.

But Alaska law is much less restrictive. Gov. Frank Murkowski in 2003 signed into law a bill that allowed citizens to carry a concealed handgun in public without a permit.

Included in the 2003 law is that local governments cannot change the state gun law to be more open or more restrictive, but the U.S. Army Alaska can enforce policies more restrictive than state law.

Local firearms instructor Joe Nava said there are still benefits of getting a concealed firearm permit, although the state doesn't require it.

Those that acquire a permit are eligible to buy a gun from a dealer without a background check, are allowed to carry a concealed weapon in 29 other states and are entered into the police computing system as a permit holder.

But while Nava encourages permitting, he doesn't agree with the Army's policy. He said it's a right given under the U.S. Constitution and state law for soldiers, like any citizen or resident of the state, to have and carry personal weapons.

"The military is taking away (soldiers') ability to protect themselves off base and that's not right," Nava said.

But Gohlke said the policy is specific only to concealed weapons and does not affect weapons for recreation and hunting.

The policy is meant to create a safer environment for soldiers and communities, not to infringe on personal rights.

"Our interest here is simply to protect the health and welfare of soldiers and promote good order and discipline," Gohlke said. "The intent is not to restrict soldiers' rights."

Staff writer Margaret Friedenauer can be reached at 459-7545 or by e-mail at mfriedenauer@newsminer.com .


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: alaska; anamericansoldier; banglist; libertarians
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To: RightWhale
The big incident was in the parking lot of a bar. They have a fair number of firearm incidents there.

I try to stay out of bars for that reason. I have never been in a bar except when working.

81 posted on 03/20/2006 7:15:04 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Thunder90
My son is required to carry his off duty but it isn't a revolver.

He can carry concealed or open but if he carries open his badge must be showing too. So he carries concealed. He says to carry open he feels like a target.

82 posted on 03/20/2006 7:15:57 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

What Juristiction does he work for?


83 posted on 03/20/2006 7:17:23 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90; smaagee

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84 posted on 03/20/2006 7:22:59 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: phrogphlyer

The military is getting more and more ridiculous with regard to firearm handling and safety.

I have been reading horror stories about how our troops in combat zones are not always allowed to carry their weapons loaded.

There are clear barrels stationed around military camps where troops can stick their muzzles while unloading due to the high incidence of accidental discharges.

It sounds like more weapons training is needed, not more restrictions.


85 posted on 03/21/2006 3:16:19 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Many women will support Hillary based solely on her gender -- and it will be praised by the MSM.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Fortunately I'm not in the Army so this story doesn't apply to me, but I could see the Navy trying something like this too.

Last summer I transferred from Pensacola to Norfolk, and for the drive up I kept my .380 on my belt. I have a Florida Concealed Weapons license, so I was legal everywhere except SC, where I had to keep the pistol in the glove box.

I got to Norfolk, and pulled over before I got to the gate. I unloaded the gun, locked it in its case, then locked it and the ammo in the trunk. When I got to the gate, I showed the guard my ID and told him, "I have an unloaded pistol locked in my trunk, and I need to go to the armory to store it." He looked at me like I had three heads, and said he had no idea what to do. He gave me directions to the base police station, and went about his business.

I went to the station and told the guy at the desk the same thing, and he said, "You better turn around right now and get the hell off base before somebody finds out and arrests you." I couldn't tell if he was more shocked or scared that I would actually have a gun in my car on base.

I ended up finding a gun store/range out in town that stored it for me for $3 a month. I still can't believe how scared the "Armed Forces" can be of firearms.
86 posted on 03/21/2006 4:56:54 AM PST by phrogphlyer
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To: claudiustg

I agree with you but not this policy. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.


87 posted on 03/21/2006 11:04:22 AM PST by BigH in Eagle River
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To: Supernatural

I'm still gonna carry. The object is to remain concealed until it's needed at which time if I'm defending my wife or my life.....I won't care about a court marshall.


88 posted on 03/21/2006 11:07:49 AM PST by BigH in Eagle River
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To: Boundless

This has me curious too. If you can't trust them with a weapon when off duty how do you just them with one during war time????


89 posted on 03/21/2006 11:12:44 AM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con, American Male (NRA))
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To: BigH in Eagle River

It has been proven time and again that your personal protection is on you, not the police.

You are smart to carry. Screw the rules, the rules are wrong.


90 posted on 03/21/2006 1:11:45 PM PST by Supernatural (Ea wull staun ma groon, Staun ma groon al nae be afraid)
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To: Steel Wolf

The Army is doing a pretty good job in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I am pretty impressed with the current crop of soldiers and officers. I left as a Captain, and think I would have a tough time keeping up with this crew.

On the other hand, I was not bad at all during the Carter Administration. We did the transition from draft to volunteer, and for 3 years the volunteers we got weren't very good. Until Carter ruined the economy (19 percent interest, 10 percent unemployment rates, and 15 percent inflation, if I recall) Then we got some decent folks in.


91 posted on 03/21/2006 7:45:01 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: Graybeard58

seven other instances involving U.S. Army Alaska soldiers

I believe several of these involded idiots who accidently shot themselves in the foot or leg.


92 posted on 03/30/2006 4:31:13 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: Graybeard58

three Fort Wainwright soldiers currently unfolding in court. A jury is deliberating the fate of Lionel Wright, Freddy Walker and Christopher Cox

This was gang-related drive-by.


93 posted on 03/30/2006 4:31:56 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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