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Not a Completely Peaceful Protest (Swastikas at Tampa anti-war protest)
Bay News 9 ^ | March 19, 2005 | Bay News 9

Posted on 03/19/2006 9:16:20 PM PST by PPHSFL

Hundreds of people filled Tampa's courthouse square Sunday to mark the third anniversary of the start of the war in Iraq, as thousands did the same throughout the country.

"After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani. "It's a clear and utter failure."

That belief was shared by many of the anti-war protesters, and some sounded off about how to get out of Iraq.

"We're going to have to clean the mess up," said Michael White. "Somebody's going to have to. We need to get our children out of harm's way. Strategic withdrawal is where it's at."

The message to bring the troops home resonated with Major Raymond Simmons, who retired to the Bay area after being wounded in Iraq. He sported his uniform at the rally and became part of what was supposed to be a peaceful anti-war movement.

One of the flags a protester waved was branded with a swastika, a sight that angered Simmons, who argued for 15 minutes with the waver of the controversial flag about what type of protest was appropriate to mark the occasion.

"Our president made a lot of goofball mistakes, but Americans are not Nazis," said Simmons.

Simmons and his adversary eventually agreed to disagree. Simmons displayed his own flag to honor the troops and said the the reference to Hitler degrades the men and women who are fighting overseas.

"They do not represent the peace movement," said Simmons. "We're trying to bring the guys home with respect and dignity. This is not what they're trying to do."

This weekend, President George Bush asked Americans to be patient as political leaders in Iraq create a unity government. He said he's encouraged by the progress and that victory in Iraq will lay the foundation for generations to come.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Florida; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agitprop; antiamericanism; antisemites; bushbashing; hitlerinsult; iraqwar; leftists; liberals; lovedclintonswars; majorraymondsimmons; majorsimmons; mediabias; moonbats; notapeacemovement; propaganda; raymondsimmons; saddamites; tampa; usefulidiot
If the anti-war movement is to ever to win over the American people, they will have to stop the comparisions of America with the Nazis, 9/11 conspiracies, and other madness. Since most of them are truly insane, I doubt this will happen.

If this has already been posted, please remove. I checked and couldn't find it posted.

1 posted on 03/19/2006 9:16:23 PM PST by PPHSFL
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To: PPHSFL
The anti war moonbats are not only insane, they are wrong!!

These are the same people who demonstrated against WWII, just different faces. They were wrong then. They are wrong now.

GOD BLESS "W' AND OUR TROOPS!!
2 posted on 03/19/2006 9:26:27 PM PST by Pragmatic Warrior (Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal!!)
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To: PPHSFL
I look at about 25, to 30 news papers across the country most Sundays (AJR Internet site) .
EVERY DA#N ONE OF THEM HAD A STORY ABOUT A WOUNDED SOLDIER
It nice that these heroes are being noticed, but, the media is using their troubles to advance its agenda. Did see a single story on what these guys and gals accomplished. Hope Rush jumps on this tomorrow
3 posted on 03/19/2006 9:27:27 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we lose)
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To: PPHSFL
The anti war moonbats are not only insane, they are wrong!!

These are the same people who demonstrated against WWII, just different faces. They were wrong then. They are wrong now.

GOD BLESS "W' AND OUR TROOPS!!
4 posted on 03/19/2006 9:28:23 PM PST by Pragmatic Warrior (Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal!!)
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To: PPHSFL
Wonder what next Monday's TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE BY STORM protest will bring? Hope someone posts a FR thread on all the goings-on next week!! he he hope there are lots of arrests and even a missile launched from WH rooftop!
5 posted on 03/19/2006 9:28:30 PM PST by p23185
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To: PPHSFL

Hey Simmons:

If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas!

Though I guess you're not bright enough to realize that.


6 posted on 03/19/2006 9:28:51 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: PPHSFL
It is the "Big Lie"

They must keep telling it over and over and over and over

Dinosaur Media's last gasp is one we won't forget

TT
7 posted on 03/19/2006 9:41:48 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: p23185

Waitaminit - they postponed it AGAIN??!!?


8 posted on 03/19/2006 9:42:14 PM PST by Old Sarge (My vigor to fight has been renewed.)
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To: Pragmatic Warrior

Yes, and that wounded soldier who is now a Peacenik better figure out which side he is on. There are only two choices.


9 posted on 03/19/2006 9:43:03 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: PPHSFL
"They do not represent the peace movement"

The Communists started the anti-US "peace" movement. You got in their boat, now sail with the Ship of Fools!"

10 posted on 03/19/2006 9:48:11 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: PPHSFL

The war on terror cannot be won by following the antiwar crowd. Pure defense of the homeland will eventually lead to a police state in order to 'protect us' from the individual suicide bomber.

The war on terror cannot be won by the "all Islam is evil" crowd. Aggressive bombing of a people back to the stone ages would only confirm what radical Islam has purported all along...that the western nations cannot co-exist with Islam. This would result in the creation of hundreds of millions of suicide bombers trying to find their way to our shores....and the eventual creation of a police state to 'protect us' from those suicide bombers.

The war on terror can only be won by supporting those clerics that are pro-democracy over those that espouse radical fundamentalism. That means we need a combination of military action, political action and economic action to create the premise that Islam is a religion of peace and that a prosperous life can only be achieved if you reject the fundamentalists and join the democratic clerics. This requires us to try to understand Arab culture like never before. It requires us to sacrifice lives and money to train and construct the underpinnings of a democracic state. It requires many, many years of hard work.


11 posted on 03/19/2006 9:50:28 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Many women will support Hillary based solely on her gender -- and it will be praised by the MSM.)
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To: PPHSFL
"After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani.

Three? Lessee . . . 2002,2003,2004,2005,2006 -- that's five years by my count.

12 posted on 03/19/2006 9:53:06 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: PPHSFL

Statements at the rally...


Lynn Lague, War Protester:
“When you kill masses of people you have to take responsibility for it. You can't just say oh, because America is killing masses of people that's ok… it's not ok!”

But even these veterans for peace and their supporters can't agree on how far to take it. A verbal argument broke out when some protesters showed up with a Nazi symbol on the American flag.

Lynn Lague, War Protester:
“We went into Iraq just the same way Hitler did the Jews.”

Raymond Simmons, Veteran for Peace:
“We are trying to bring the guys home in a peaceful manner a dignified manner not a distasteful manner.”


http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=27523


13 posted on 03/19/2006 9:53:29 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: PPHSFL
They've declared it a failure from Day One.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

14 posted on 03/19/2006 9:54:26 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: PPHSFL
After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani. "It's a clear and utter failure."

No it isn't. Why don't you say this to a free Iraqi you coward!

15 posted on 03/19/2006 9:55:58 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: endthematrix

---One of the flags a protester waved was branded with a swastika---

This is standard leftist dogma, that the "establishment" is a Nazi conspiracy. There are hard core committed Communists on the periphery of our society that are still fighting the revolution.


16 posted on 03/19/2006 9:59:36 PM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: PPHSFL
..as thousands did throughout the country.

Thousands? I guess that means three thousand.That's 60 per state. 7 per congressional district...I'm underwhelmed.

17 posted on 03/19/2006 10:04:37 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: PPHSFL
"They do not represent the peace movement," said Simmons. "We're trying to bring the guys home with respect and dignity. This is not what they're trying to do."

Sure they do. The problem is that Mr Simmond does NOT represent the leadership of the so called "peace movement." He's simply a "useful idiot" to them, to be used up, and then discarded, much like Cindy Shehan.

Mark

18 posted on 03/19/2006 10:06:12 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: bboop

I agree. Perhaps after today, he'll have a clue as to the company he was keeping, especially with jerk with the swastika on the American flag.

There are only two sides in this matter. The RIGHT side, and the WRONG side. There is no middle ground.

I am also more than a bit upset with the ex soldier. While he does have the right to his opinion, to make a statement like he did today, saying that the President has made a lot of goof ball mistakes, was beyond comprehension, and showed a lack of understanding war on his part. I find it hard to believe he was actually in the military. President Bush has always let the Commanders in the field call the shots, UNLIKE Lyndon Johnson did in Viet Nam. For this "soldier" to think he knows more than the Commanders in the field is breathtakingly shocking, delusional, and ignorant. And for a soldier to engage in "arm chair quarterbacking" is unforgivable.


19 posted on 03/19/2006 10:10:42 PM PST by Pragmatic Warrior (Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal!!)
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To: PPHSFL
"After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani. "It's a clear and utter failure."

This makes me so angry I want to give him the finger. But I'll let these people do it instead.

Along with millions more.

20 posted on 03/19/2006 10:14:06 PM PST by KarlInOhio (The tree of liberty is getting awfully parched.)
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To: PPHSFL

bttt


21 posted on 03/19/2006 10:26:57 PM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: PPHSFL; All
Apologies for the raw language, but this is what we are dealing with- be sure to read the "comments" link:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Moronic Convergence in Hollywood

LGF operative Ringo the Gringo was at yesterday’s moronic convergence in Hollywood with his camera, and emailed more than 80 photos of the reality-based community doing the anti-war mambo. The crowds are getting smaller at these demonstrations, but as you’ll see in this slideshow I put together, the remaining moonbats are getting even battier: . There were between 2000 and 3000 people — tops — at the San Francisco rally. It was one of their smallest ever. They're become weaker on every front, I'm glad to say.I notice in the pictures they getting more and more anti-semetic. There're more and more Hitler, SS and Nazi refererences. Unbelievable.



 

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22 posted on 03/20/2006 2:23:23 AM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: backhoe

Oh, class act. And that table with all the Marxist propaganda on it is a direct flash-back to Berkeley days. pathetic.


23 posted on 03/20/2006 5:16:58 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: backhoe

 

If I were the last man on earth, I wouldn't even let you get in the line.

24 posted on 03/20/2006 5:20:33 AM PST by Fintan (Hey, you can't make this stuff up.)
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To: bboop

Yes, they are a scurvy and scurrilous crew- and these aren't the worst, by far- give LGF's field reporter's site a shot, and look for the Scrotum Inflator Dude:

http://www.zombietime.com/


25 posted on 03/20/2006 5:28:32 AM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: Fintan
If I were the last man on earth, I wouldn't even let you get in the line.

My first thought was, "She looks pretty enough, but no, not even with somebody else's xxxx..."

As my Sainted Mother used to say, "You don't know where that's been..."

26 posted on 03/20/2006 5:31:50 AM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: Fintan
Where'd I put that cartoon?

sailor

27 posted on 03/20/2006 5:38:15 AM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: backhoe

Good one! :)


28 posted on 03/20/2006 7:30:44 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free - never)
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To: backhoe

I just got back from that link - I looked at all of the "Hall of Shame" photos. Now I need to go wash out my brain. Maybe with a good bleach rinse too...


29 posted on 03/20/2006 7:51:06 AM PST by SelmaLee
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To: PPHSFL

Individuals such as Mabili Ajani want to see the Stars and Stripes with a swastika superimposed. It represents their skewed world view perfectly. See below:


Addek a.k.a. Da A Double D also referred to as “The Huey Newton of Hip Hop” commandeered the underground hip hop scene around Tampa in 2003. He appeared with longtime collaborator Speax on WMNF 88.5’s compilation Unified Collision. Together they shattered the race barrier’s by becoming the first interracial hip hop duo to create a volatile song exploring race relations in America. That track was the anchor track for Addek and Speax’s first release together which shared the same title as their explosive song “Indivisible.”

Addek began his solo career with the controversial full length release: Hip Hop 9/11! Hip Hop 9/11 contains material so contentious that Addek and Speax were forced offstage by a show organizer to prevent offending a city mayor. Free speech? The politically charged anthem “Critikal Timez” was the culprit, a crowd favorite. This underground classic is the closing song for Mabili Ajani’s long time show “Critical Times” on WMNF’s 88.5. This track is also featured in the DVDAftershock, a documentary that contains other music produced and written by Addek. Addek released Hip hop 9/11 on his independent label Realityhiphop.com which he started as a producer in 2003.

Addek is ranked #1 in hip hop, and #7 overall on Podsafeaudio.com and climbing. Addek is exploding online and has a massive internet buzz. Just Google his name. Using the internet, podcasts, and other guerilla P.R. tactics Addek is expanding his independent label when he isn’t studying for a Political Science Degree from USF (12/05). Also production on an equally explosive video for Critikal Timez and his next release Rise 2 Power has begun, which will propel hip hop to the next level.

A revolutionary in the making...

“A breath of fresh air from the smog of commercially-control messages of mainstream hip-hop.”

Mabili Ajani
-Critical Times: Talk Revolution-
Fridays 1pm (ET) 88.5 FM

“These independent hip hop artists deliver some of the most provocative, politically aware
and revolutionary lyrics in the region’s vital underground rap scene.”


30 posted on 03/20/2006 12:04:35 PM PST by robowombat
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To: SelmaLee
I just got back from that link - I looked at all of the "Hall of Shame" photos. Now I need to go wash out my brain. Maybe with a good bleach rinse too...

On the bright side, we're lucky to have opponents so extreme that they look ridiculous- no normal person I've ever known would be caught dead looking and acting the way they do.

Now if we could just get the MSM to cover it...

31 posted on 03/20/2006 12:55:05 PM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: All

No protest warriors this time?

They still around?


32 posted on 03/20/2006 12:56:58 PM PST by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: M. Espinola
That cartoon came from Canada's recent election, and I remembered it well. Like Me Mother used to say, "you don't know where she's been..."
33 posted on 03/20/2006 12:57:25 PM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: PPHSFL

"We need to get our children out of harm's way."

Why do these lib morons keep leaving their kids in harm's way? Thank goodness conservative adults join the military and protect them and us.


34 posted on 03/20/2006 12:59:01 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: backhoe

Hey, I wonder if that chick is serious. She's kinda hot.


35 posted on 03/20/2006 1:00:04 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: PPHSFL
"They do not represent the peace movement," said Simmons.

Simmons is wrong on TWO counts.

(1)It is NOT a peace movement. They are decidedly PRO-Palestinian War (including some who vocally support the use of suicide bombers).

(2)They DO represent the anti-American War movement. I've seen plenty of communist, marxist, and anarchist banners at these left wing hate rallies. They hold up banners that say "I support our troops when they shoot their officers" and "I love NY more with out the WTC".

He's a useful idiot for siding with anti-American agitators.

36 posted on 03/20/2006 1:04:45 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: weegee
You nail it. Just as the Viet Nam era anti-war movement was not anti-war but pro-communist victory. The point was grasped by some early vocal critics of US involvement such as Episcopal Bishop Paul Moore who stated while he did not believe the Viet nam commitment was a vital national interest and was in that sense not ethically sustainable he was not interested in marching under any tyrant's flag.
37 posted on 03/20/2006 1:14:49 PM PST by robowombat
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To: Erik Latranyi

We need to take the war to their nations. First and foremost is the concept of religious freedom. They must acknowledge the rights of others to NOT be muslims.

Not just "people of the book" (Jews/Christians) but Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

They sentence muslims who convert away from the faith to death. They murder clerics who call for "reforms" (Mohammed was the last prophet and so any reformation is blasphemy).

If the rest of the world is going to look down their collective noses at the US for prohibiting same sex marriage, then certainly the same international pressure that was brought to South Africa could be brought to Islamic nations to push for the concept of religious freedom.

Islam is a supremacist ideology (like Nazism). It is a birthright. Imam have said it is okay for a muslim man to marry a woman who converts to Islam but not okay for a muslim woman to marry a man who converts to Islam.

Islam must come to terms with the unchangeable fact that there are other beliefs in this world.


38 posted on 03/20/2006 1:15:24 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: robowombat

Jane Fonda was pleading for Americans to accept Communism, not just as a competing political system but hoping that we would also embrace it and become a communist nation.


39 posted on 03/20/2006 1:16:41 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: backhoe

They are pleading for Mumia to be "freed" and then make the case against the death penalty. Someone should ask this useful idiot if she is aware that Mumia is off death row.


40 posted on 03/20/2006 1:19:08 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: Lee'sGhost
Hey, I wonder if that chick is serious. She's kinda hot.

Oh, I reckon she's serious- looks like a "professional" lady, to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that... [ /Seinfeld ]

41 posted on 03/20/2006 1:21:01 PM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: ladyinred
After three years, it's a failure," said protestor Mabili Ajani. "It's a clear and utter failure."

>>No it isn't. Why don't you say this to a free Iraqi you coward!

But Saddam is out of office and will never rule Iraq again. And his sons are gone. To a Saddamite, that is utter failure.

42 posted on 03/20/2006 1:21:52 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: weegee
Someone should ask this useful idiot if she is aware that Mumia is off death row.

Yes, indeed. That stuff gives me flashbacks to the bad side of the sixties. The oppressive self-righteousness of the counterculture always bothered me, and so does this junk-reasoning.

43 posted on 03/20/2006 1:40:37 PM PST by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: KarlInOhio

Good post, Karl.


44 posted on 03/20/2006 3:00:13 PM PST by expatpat
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To: weegee
Islam must come to terms with the unchangeable fact that there are other beliefs in this world.

It will. First we must ensure that those Muslims who believe in democracy are supported and in power. That is our goal in Iraq.

45 posted on 03/20/2006 3:21:39 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Many women will support Hillary based solely on her gender -- and it will be praised by the MSM.)
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To: backhoe

Decades ago, my husband and I were sitting on a ship on the Amazon watching the other "gringo" passengers load. One of the last passengers was a pretty young woman, scantily dressed, alone, and as she came up the gang plank, every man turned his head to look and just as quickly, once they saw that she was bare footed and had sores on her feet and legs, they looked away. It was pretty amazing to watch.


46 posted on 03/20/2006 7:41:48 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Erik Latranyi
Muslims have to accept that they may not always even BE in power (note, I did NOT say Arabs, Indonesians, Afghans, or Pakistanis wouldn't still rule those lands).

Islamic nations imply Islamic Territory. While Imam huff about the implications of admitting that they still consider slavery (including sexual slavery) OK according to modern interpretations of the koran, they say that such slaves must be seized in jihad and taken to Islamic territories before they are divided up.

I don't want to see radical clerics to become a suppressed minority. I want to see them eradicated, they are incompatible with all other cultures.
47 posted on 03/20/2006 7:49:06 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: Erik Latranyi
Muslims have to accept that they may not always even BE in power (note, I did NOT say Arabs, Indonesians, Afghans, or Pakistanis wouldn't still rule those lands).

Islamic nations imply Islamic Territory. While Imam huff about the implications of admitting that they still consider slavery (including sexual slavery) OK according to modern interpretations of the koran, they say that such slaves must be seized in jihad and taken to Islamic territories before they are divided up.

I don't want to see radical clerics to become a suppressed minority. I want to see them eradicated, they are incompatible with all other cultures.
48 posted on 03/20/2006 8:02:14 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: Fintan

Judging by the company she keeps, if you did do her, not even the doctors would be able to name all the veneral diseases you would contract from her.


49 posted on 03/20/2006 8:10:47 PM PST by sport
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