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Group: Geico Insurance Rates 'Very Unfair'
reuters ^ | 3/20/06

Posted on 03/20/2006 5:25:49 PM PST by mathprof

A leading U.S. consumer group Monday accused Geico Corp. of using consumers' education backgrounds and occupations as criteria in setting auto insurance rates, resulting in discrimination against minorities and lower-income people.

The Consumer Federation of America (CFA) charged that the No. 4 U.S. auto insurer, has adopted rating methods and underwriting guidelines in 44 states that directly tie rates to education and occupation.

Geico, a unit of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK), the insurance and investment company controlled by billionaire Warren Buffett, rejected the charges. It called them "an offensive attempt to link fundamentally fair and actuarially sound industry practices with invidious discrimination."

The insurer provides auto insurance to more than 6 million policyholders, and insures more than 10 million vehicles.

Robert Hunter, the CFA's director of insurance and a former Texas insurance commissioner, called Geico's rate-setting policies an "underwriting sleight-of-hand" that can shortchange thousands of drivers.

Under Geico's guidelines, he said, a New Orleans factory worker without a high school education would pay $2,636 for insurance, 91 percent more the $1,382 that a white-collar worker with a graduate degree would pay for the same vehicle and location.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: berkshirehathaway; geico; redlining
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To: dangus
Now I've got Progressive, I think...

Are you aware that the head of Progressive is one of the major funders of MoveOn.org?

181 posted on 03/21/2006 10:40:41 AM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: mc6809e

'"Unfair" would be forcing everyone the pay the same rate, despite differences in risk."

Another word would be socialism. Or I don't want to pay the market cost for my behavior.




182 posted on 03/21/2006 10:43:05 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: mathprof

Are there solid claim rate statistics to back up the tie-in to education and job? Either way, you can always change insurers.


183 posted on 03/21/2006 10:44:29 AM PST by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: mathprof
My simple answer. It's a free country, don't buy it then. How stupid can these flippin' people be. JEEZ
184 posted on 03/21/2006 10:45:45 AM PST by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: birbear

That is Kidney/Shepherd's pie (like a chicken pot pie, but with bovine/ovine entrails as the main ingredients), and the chips are french fries.

I'm goint to (attempt to) start my Lotus Esprit now.


185 posted on 03/21/2006 10:50:14 AM PST by 308MBR ("Ah fell in ta a bhurnin' ring o' far")
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To: mathprof

...."Under Geico's guidelines, he said, a New Orleans factory worker without a high school education would pay $2,636 for insurance, 91 percent more the $1,382 that a white-collar worker with a graduate degree would pay for the same vehicle and location.


"......

But the NOLA factory worker without a high school education automobile, probably sat under water for a few weeks,

while the white collar graduate degree policyholder drove out of town with his family early.


186 posted on 03/21/2006 10:55:32 AM PST by aShepard
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To: jigsaw

I think of that pic every time her mug is on TV.


187 posted on 03/21/2006 11:08:36 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Indy Pendance

IP,
True, true. There are also about 6 million people in MA, which makes it a little crowded sometimes.

But people are leaving, in droves. I hope to be one soon.


188 posted on 03/21/2006 11:11:19 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: R. Scott
I think of that pic every time her mug is on TV.

You have just ruined the rest of my life!   ;-)

189 posted on 03/21/2006 11:17:38 AM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops.)
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To: birbear
It's not an Australian accent. It's an East London accent.
190 posted on 03/21/2006 11:25:10 AM PST by wideawake
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To: mathprof

OI free pie and chips.

Who wouldn't want free pie and chips?

Same place as the free gov't cheese???


191 posted on 03/21/2006 11:25:36 AM PST by Shooter1001
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
"I don't care if their commercials have Barbara Mikulski playing a tuba dressed in a thong. Their rates are hundreds of dollars lower than the " good neighbor's"."

Yikes what an image! I just canceled (did not renew) my motorcycle insurance with "Progressive" after I found out where all my excess premium money goes and it ain't to the GOP. I guess the name "Progressive" should have been a warning.

192 posted on 03/21/2006 11:26:51 AM PST by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: mathprof
How come I'm not surprised that this originated in New Orleans?
Why is an insurance company's method of assessing risk now a legal issue? If you don't like Geico, go to another company. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use them.

WTF??
193 posted on 03/21/2006 11:31:50 AM PST by newnhdad (All your government branches are belong to us!! not for long if this cr@p keeps up.)
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To: mathprof

Apparently there are discernable characteristics about a driver that are not based on race that predict the risk of loss. If a certain driver has a lower risk of loss, isn't it unfair to prevent him from getting insurance at a lower rate? Isn't it unfair to lump him in with other people who will have a much higher loss rate and drive his insurance rates up?


194 posted on 03/21/2006 11:32:50 AM PST by bondjamesbond (RICE '08)
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To: Warren_Piece
I'm a 41-year old, highly compensated, somewhat less-educated developer (driving a Scion xB).

I have the same car (two xBs, actually). The funny thing is, Toyota created the Scion brand to be a low-cost leader to get younger people to buy Toyota. The mean age of people buying Scion xBs is, you guessed it, 42 years old.

Not that Toyota won't take the money. But the idea that Scion would be a youth brand has kind of fizzled. It is funny to stand around the Scion showroom with all the flashing lights and loud music watching middle aged men buying cars.

195 posted on 03/21/2006 11:45:10 AM PST by bondjamesbond (RICE '08)
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To: mathprof
I save about $1000 a year with GEICO. My wife over the years has had two claims and were settled very fairly by GEICO as well. We both have graduate degrees and have had no accidents attributed to our negligence, and we live in NH, so with two late model cars, two adult drivers and one teenage girl. the total premium is a bit over $1200 a year.

Yea, I want to subsidize the stupid, the indolent, the reckless, the poor, and pay more, because why?
196 posted on 03/21/2006 11:51:18 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: Nightshift

ping


197 posted on 03/21/2006 12:20:39 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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To: Maceman
Geico is not licensed in Massachusetts.

No, but Gayco is....

198 posted on 03/21/2006 12:30:23 PM PST by Osage Orange (Why does John McCain always smile like a mule eating cockleburrs?)
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To: PLK

Don't know about health insurance, but those folks definitely pay more for life insurance (and should IMHO). Why should someone who exercises, eats a decent diet, non-smoker, and of average weight pay the same as someone who weighs 400 pounds, smokes 2 packs a day, and for the most part moves only far enough to grab the TV remote?

That does not make them any less worthy as a person, but actuarially, high risk.


199 posted on 03/21/2006 12:30:58 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: jigsaw

It’s a better pic than that one of Albright people insist on posting!


200 posted on 03/21/2006 12:32:44 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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