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J-XX Stealthy Fighter Aircraft - (China stealth fighter)
Sino Defense ^ | July 10, 2005

Posted on 03/21/2006 1:53:09 AM PST by Flavius

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According to the reports of the Jane's Defence Weekly, China has already launched its next generation stealthy fighter aircraft programme, and Shenyang Aircraft Industry Co. (SAC) has been selected to head research and development of a new fighter for the PLA Air Force (PLAAF).

PROGRAMME

According to the report from Jane's, development of the subsystems including the engine and weapon suite for the next generation fighter, which was codenamed by the Western intelligence as J-XX, has been underway for some time. Images of the concepts show a twin-engine aircraft sharing some design traits with Lockheed Martin's stealthy F/A-22 "Raptor" multirole fighter such as the internal carriage of its weapons.

Not too much public information about the programme is available at the moment. The aircraft, which could be designated as J-13 or J-14, is still going through initial concept work, the same stage as the USAF Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) programme in the early 1980s, which later led to the F/A-22 Raptor. Sources within China's confirmed that the SAC is looking at a twin-engine, single-seat, single vertical tale fin design, but other design proposals has yet been ruled out.

As China has developed close ties with Russia's aerospace industry and has license produced many planes of formal Soviet designs, it can be predicted that the J-XX would include some, if not many Russian technologies and designs. China has been offered a 'joint development and production' of a new fifth-generation fighter by Russia -LFI. Russia has been trying to sell this concept both to China and India for some time, but neither of them has committed fully yet. According to Russian resources, the LFI will be able to counter U.S. second fifth-generation Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).

Stealth and thrust vectoring are two must-have features in all aircraft being designed in the 21st century. If is not clear that how much progress Chinese designers have made in these areas, and Chinese aircraft industry may have to take Western/Israeli/Russian helps to make the J-XX truly fouth-generation (or fifth-generation using the Russian standards). Once introduced, the J-12's immediate rival will be U.S. F/A-22, JSF and India's MCA (Medium Combat Aircraft).

Date Last Updated: 10 July 05


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KEYWORDS: china; russia; war
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1 posted on 03/21/2006 1:53:12 AM PST by Flavius
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To: Jeff Head
Ping.
2 posted on 03/21/2006 2:00:18 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Flavius

Pretty bird.


3 posted on 03/21/2006 2:04:29 AM PST by Cornpone (Remember 11 Sept 2001 -- This generation's Pearl Harbor, its Alamo, its battleship Maine.)
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To: Joe Brower

Isn't that cute!! The silk fabric covering is supposed to be very stealthy....lol!


4 posted on 03/21/2006 2:05:59 AM PST by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: Uriah_lost

im not even sure if those pictures are real


5 posted on 03/21/2006 2:08:18 AM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Flavius

"Yoo shore got a purty bird..."

Cool looking plane, let's hope it's built and works like a tool from Wal-Mart.

6 posted on 03/21/2006 2:08:57 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Flavius

I wonder if this was built using tooling the Clintons allowed to be sold to them--for building non-military aricraft, of course...


7 posted on 03/21/2006 2:10:00 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
You can bet; Shrillary (& her Ilk) is selling the ChiComs, all "the wares", they'll ever need....the Klintoons, the pair that keeps goin'...no dealin' too shady/no lie too big.
8 posted on 03/21/2006 2:21:44 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Flavius

Thank the Clintons! They've done it again!


9 posted on 03/21/2006 2:23:34 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: Flavius

It's a knock-off.


10 posted on 03/21/2006 2:24:30 AM PST by Dallas59 (MOHAMMED LIED-PEOPLE DIED)
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To: Flavius

Our money, hard at work. Thanks to everyone for buying, made in China products.


11 posted on 03/21/2006 2:29:26 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join FR Team 36120 at http://folding.stanford.edu {Protein Folding Project})
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To: Shery

I think more of the credit goes to the American people for buying "Made in China". Although, Clinton does deserve his share.


12 posted on 03/21/2006 2:30:56 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join FR Team 36120 at http://folding.stanford.edu {Protein Folding Project})
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To: Flavius
"...designated the J-14...it is actually a full-scale engineering mockup..."

More engineering mock-ups of chinese stealthy aircraft. This one is called J-1 and was developed several thousand years ago. At the turn of the 20th century two brothers used the J-1 concept vehicle to launch what they called an aeroplane at Kittyhawk.


13 posted on 03/21/2006 2:43:51 AM PST by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: Flavius
"single vertical tale fin design"

Tale fin? Are they telling tails?
14 posted on 03/21/2006 3:11:36 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: sully777
Truly a "Fly By Wire" design - actually two wires!
15 posted on 03/21/2006 3:35:38 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: Flavius

bump


16 posted on 03/21/2006 3:42:41 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Dallas59
"It's a knock-off."

Given that it's based upon Russian technology, it's a knock-off of a knock-off.
17 posted on 03/21/2006 3:45:45 AM PST by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: Joe Brower
Um canard configuration, they copy everything and stole it from us they always do, as did the Russians.
18 posted on 03/21/2006 4:24:57 AM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Flavius

Somehow I can't escape the feeling that this "design" also meant $100,000 into DNC coffiers somewhere.


19 posted on 03/21/2006 4:31:42 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Cornpone
Sources within China's confirmed that the SAC is looking at a twin-engine, single-seat, single vertical tale fin design, but other design proposals has yet been ruled out

The text doesn't seem to match the picture (although there is the "has yet been ruled out" caveat).

Single vertical tail aircraft are decidedly non-stealthy, as the vertical stab(s) need to be canted (as with the F-117, F-22, F-35 and even the cancelled RAH-66) in order to properly reflect radar. A single vertical tail reflects radar about as well as a barn door.
20 posted on 03/21/2006 4:49:27 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Flavius

Let's call it the 3-frogs.........


21 posted on 03/21/2006 5:12:44 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him...)
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks Joe...the Chinese have been producing a lot of Photo Shopped images and "mockups". They clearly have plans and are now trying to get a look at what those plans may end up looking like. They have the money and the engineering skills, and the Russians are helping with some expertise.

But, turning a mockup into a working desing is still a HUGE leap. Actually having the technology and skill to produce the types of materials needed, the electronics needed, the avionisc, the comm, the stealth, the tracking and acquisition, let alone the armaments to successfully compete with the likes of the F-22 is still beyond them (like 5-10 years).

However, if they produce say, F-15 quality or better aircraft in some numbers (and with this, the J-10, the SU-30's, etc. that they are building by the hundreds they are approaching being able to do that), then they may be in a position to have enough technology and the numbers to overwhelm us. That's my bigger concern.

Left alone and funded long enough, they will compete head to head with our best...I pray that doesn't happen, that we will come to our senses economically and diplomatically to force the issue on our terms as opposed to theirs.

22 posted on 03/21/2006 5:16:48 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Joe Brower
Had Kerry been elected, the F-22 and JSF programs might have been canceled.
23 posted on 03/21/2006 5:18:56 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Flavius
Clint Eastwood knockoff.....


24 posted on 03/21/2006 5:26:11 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe

"You must think in Russian"


25 posted on 03/21/2006 5:29:30 AM PST by Rebelbase (President Bush is a Texas jackass when it comes to Border security .)
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To: Flavius

Great looking plane, now they just need some pilots.

Unfortunately, their best guy Wong Wei (pronounced "W(r)ong Way") still sleeps with the fishes after tangling with our E3 surveillance plane back in April 2001.


26 posted on 03/21/2006 5:39:48 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Bump!


28 posted on 03/21/2006 5:54:40 AM PST by jpsb
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To: sgribbley
TODAY'S FREE TRADE IS NOT ABOUT THE FREE MARKET
29 posted on 03/21/2006 6:06:06 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Actually having the technology and skill to produce the types of materials needed,

Not really. After all, Boeing wants to do it's carbon composite manufacturing in China in order to cut costs. What the Clintons didn't give the Chinese, American manufacturers are more than willing to provide in order to keep the prices low at Wal Mart.

30 posted on 03/21/2006 6:32:38 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Jeff Head

It's a matter of time.
The Chinese however don't seem too anxious in mass building any of their current designs (like J-10, etc). They are clearly first trying to amass different skills and technologies, and when the time is right, they will start building like no tomorrow.

They are probably going to navalize their J-10's too soon.


31 posted on 03/21/2006 7:35:58 AM PST by okie73104
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To: mkjessup

If their pilots are as good as their race car drivers (see A1GP) we've got nothing to worry about, the stealth fighter will be in the wall before turn 2.


32 posted on 03/21/2006 7:38:10 AM PST by rattrap
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To: mkjessup

"Great looking plane, now they just need some pilots."

Too bad about Wong Wei, but whatever happened to his wingman, Lt Sum Yung Gui?


33 posted on 03/21/2006 8:25:42 AM PST by Clioman
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To: Flavius

What is even worse is this is based off of the MiG 1.44 and the Sukhoi SU-47 stealth programs in Russia. The Russians gave China the specs for these programs, and are working together to design the stealth craft.


34 posted on 03/21/2006 9:22:17 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

This is to save time and money, and to foster an even stronger strategic relationship between China and Russia.


35 posted on 03/21/2006 9:24:36 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: Flavius

Bump!


36 posted on 03/21/2006 9:28:12 AM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: Flavius

First things first, the image is a digitally created fake. A sophisticated one and whoever did it was quite skillful, but it is not real. There are however aerodynamic scale models of proposed J-14 variants that are real (but different than this picture) but those photos lack detail and are quite small.

Secondly, even if it were real, those are claiming it is a copy are obviouslly clueless. There is no other existing aircraft that even bears any remote similarities to the aircraft in the picture. The Su-47 was a heavily modified Su-27 airframe with forward swept wings. The Mig 144 project is only superficially similar in that both are twin engined planes featuring canards. Taken that to its natural conclusion, the aircraft in the picture would also be copy of the Gripen, Rafale, Eurofighter, the J-10, and any other aircraft with a canard that has ever flown.

And I don't know why people are still blaming Clinton for everything, p.s. It's been 6 years since he left office.


37 posted on 03/21/2006 1:26:09 PM PST by cmdjing
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To: cmdjing
Commander JingJing? Is that you?


38 posted on 03/21/2006 1:30:35 PM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: cmdjing
First things first, the image is a digitally created fake. A sophisticated one and whoever did it was quite skillful, but it is not real.

How can you tell?
39 posted on 03/21/2006 1:36:55 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Flavius

It is a Sukhoi SU-47 aircraft.


40 posted on 03/21/2006 2:47:51 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
Nope. This is an SU-47:


41 posted on 03/21/2006 2:53:52 PM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: null and void

It is similar to one of the Russian models, the MiG 1.44


42 posted on 03/21/2006 2:55:58 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
Yeah. Much closer!

Definite family resemblance.

43 posted on 03/21/2006 3:06:24 PM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: doc30

It's not just American firms and sold out politicians. Europe lifted their arms sales ban to china, and their firms and bought and paid for politicians can't wait to arm up the chicoms, either.


44 posted on 03/21/2006 3:10:15 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: tanknetter
close in zoom with photoshop displays what are possibly a few graphical anomalies. One of the open panels on the undercarriage has a telltale editing sign (the one right below the air intake), at 1600% magnification you can see the panel pixels are too straight and and there is a "shear" effect which usually means someone has copied and pasted over something. Also there is what I suspect a slight perspective problem with the air intake. The picture is taken at an angle slanted upwards but the intake looks as if it is being viewed as if straight head on. It's slight but it just feels off and somewhat akward.

Of course its a god damn fantastic photoshop job nonetheless. The proof is as they in the pudding if one has seen the same plane, though in CGI format.

this picture in particular should be familiar, its similar to the one in the magazine above but albeit of CGI and not as good as a photoshop job

Then again I could be wrong and the photograph is genuine while the other CGI's are based on this original, but it just doesn't pass the smell test.

45 posted on 03/21/2006 3:43:53 PM PST by cmdjing
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To: cmdjing

That picture looks like a "still" from a video game.....


46 posted on 03/21/2006 3:48:14 PM PST by Osage Orange (Why does John McCain always smile like a mule eating cockleburrs?)
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To: Osage Orange

Off topic I admit, but I love your screen name. I respect a man thats knows his wood.


47 posted on 03/21/2006 3:52:20 PM PST by cmdjing
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To: cmdjing; All

ive seen these pictures before but it aws 4 am and pretty sure they were doctored the lanugaged maybe real or their guesses maybe real

never then less i do not think chicoms are only making parts for walmart


48 posted on 03/21/2006 4:12:29 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: cmdjing
this picture in particular should be familiar, its similar to the one in the magazine above but albeit of CGI and not as good as a photoshop job

Yup, it's definitely familiar ... as is the upper one - but for different reasons. It looks like a complete amalgam of several different stealth aircraft designs.

The wings are lifted straight off the YF-22. The upper fuselage from the cockpit back is from the YF-23(with the exception of the exhausts terminating in afterburners, as opposed to the -23's troughs), as are the tailplanes (although these are set outwards a bit from the -23).

The forward fuselage looks like a cross between a "squished" YF-22 and the Sukhoi Platypus (esp the nose).

The intake (sugar scoop) looks similar to both the X/F-35 inlet test rig that was flown on an F-16, and the X-32 inlet.

As far as the photoshopping job goes, I was struck by the fact that in the photoshopped picture, you can actually see the reflection of the aircraft, along with the ladders/test stands, in the hangar floor ...
49 posted on 03/21/2006 8:48:56 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Flavius
YF-23 knockoff?


50 posted on 03/21/2006 9:06:39 PM PST by Conservative Firster
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