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To: Blue Jays
This prevents us from having to contend with statist abuse of the camera network, which would be a bundle.

It's not so much the abuse of a current or soon-to-exist camera network, it's the potential to go further.

What happens, when five years from now, they come back and say "cameras aren't enough to fight crime, terrorism, etc., we need something stronger - perhaps limit open access to certain parts of the city".

Unless you live out in the country, you're on a camera 10-20 times a day at various places (banks/ATMs, traffic, security, etc.). At some point, they will take things further. That's what is scary - that so-called Conservatives will allow them to take things to the next level, because they will not stop - give the government an inch, they will take the proverbial mile.

This isn't about us being watched on a camera, this is about our grandchildren, and great-grandchildren and the kind of USA that they will inhabit.
54 posted on 03/22/2006 9:13:35 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
Hi af_vet_rr:

We're in absolute agreement and you are 100% correct about how this will unfold negatively for our descendants. It will be cameras for now and satellites for later. Hey, how about some directional microphones while we're at it?

~ Blue Jays ~

59 posted on 03/22/2006 9:28:13 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: af_vet_rr

It's not so much the abuse of a current or soon-to-exist camera network, it's the potential to go further.

What happens, when five years from now, they come back and say "cameras aren't enough to fight crime, terrorism, etc., we need something stronger - perhaps limit open access to certain parts of the city".

Unless you live out in the country, you're on a camera 10-20 times a day at various places (banks/ATMs, traffic, security, etc.). At some point, they will take things further. That's what is scary - that so-called Conservatives will allow them to take things to the next level, because they will not stop - give the government an inch, they will take the proverbial mile.

This isn't about us being watched on a camera, this is about our grandchildren, and great-grandchildren and the kind of USA that they will inhabit.


We're pretty much there already, it's just a matter of tying together a few loose ends.

What do you get when you take the unbiquitous cameras, covering essentially the entire public sphere, and add to the mix facial-recognition software, and then, you simply network the cameras together, with a database backend that tracks each and every face everywhere it goes, all the time?

What you get is the ultimate totalitarian police state -- and, to a frighteningly large number of putative "conservatives", this will be as close to utopia as possible.

There will be no "privacy", no "anonymity" (and again, the "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" chorus starts up, to which I simply reply, "Then what of 'Publius' and 'The Federal Farmer'?")

If your face is an "unknown", it will simply be tracked as an "unknown" -- a unique "unknown". (After all, "unknown" does NOT mean "unidentifiable".)

Your "unknown" face will be assigned an index number in the database. Let's say you're "Unknown_Face_032306_0099" (the 99th new face discovered on 03-23-06). Everywhere that you go, you will be observed, and everywhere that you are observed, a database entry will be made for "Unknown_Face_032306_0099" -- gradually creating a lovely "audit path" of your life.

Eventually, you will supply a matching identity to go with that face. You'll renew your driver's license, or stop by the ATM, or get pulled over for a "traffic check".

At that moment, "Unknown_Face_032306_0099" will be updated to reflect your actual identity -- and therefore, your entire "life story" beginning on the very first day that "Unknown_Face_032306_0099" was "caught on tape", will be indexed for retrieval.

In "utopia", we're all "suspects."

I find it beyond surreal, that in a world which has been exposed to Orwell's work for over half a century, we find ourselves at the point that his "fictional" technology is within grasp, and, "the people", rather than shunning it, decrying it, fearing it... rather than doing whatever they can to steer society away from that nightmare, are clamoring for it -- so that they might feel "safe."

The irony of the phrase, "Big Brother is Watching You" is apparently lost on an entire generation.

For our contemporaries, the natural response to that caption is something along the lines of, "Good! It's about time! We need that kind of observation to be in place, to keep us safe!"

In Orwell's world, "Big Brother" was allegedly watching them to keep them safe -- to protect them.

The ultimate irony is that the real "Big Brother" infrastructure is being sold to us on exactly that same basis.

And we're buying it!

102 posted on 03/22/2006 11:34:01 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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