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Did Russian Ambassador Give Saddam the U.S. War Plan?
ABC News ^ | 03/23/2006 | Unknown

Posted on 03/23/2006 7:21:27 PM PST by Starman417

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61 posted on 03/23/2006 10:29:01 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: justa-hairyape
Was Spain the first country to pull troops out of Iraq ? We all know that the country suffered a very conveniently timed terrorist train attack on the eve of an election that was utilized by the Socialist to take over the Spanish government. Was Spain given complete plans for the US forces ?
62 posted on 03/23/2006 10:34:31 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

True, but I doubt any of those nations would know the location of US special forces. I think the skunk is far closer to home.


63 posted on 03/23/2006 10:40:53 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Could have been the combo plate, Russian spy satellites pinpoint special ops combined with general info from traitor.


64 posted on 03/23/2006 10:43:51 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

"Was Spain the first country to pull troops out of Iraq ?"

I think that was the Philippines, but I may be wrong.

"We all know that the country suffered a very conveniently timed terrorist train attack on the eve of an election that was utilized by the Socialist to take over the Spanish government."

The Spanish Conservative government tried to use the terror attack to blame it on the Basque separatists and tarnish its political opponents which included Basque autonomists, and that plan backfired big time. Plus, while the Spanish government did send troops in Iraq as part of the Coalition, a very large majority of Spaniards were opposed to it.

No need to add any conspiracy here : you have a government conducting a policy the population is largely opposed to in an election year, and who embarasses itself trying to use a terror attack to divide the country instead of brininging it together as the US did after 9/11. Predictably, the electorate gives the boot to said government.

"Was Spain given complete plans for the US forces ?"

Not sure about that. After all, the Spanish contribution was only 1,200 men strong, which meant the Spanish deployment area would be modest. And I don't think they were directly involved in the assault against Iraqi forces. Why then would they have been given the whole operational plans instead of just what they needed to deploy ?


65 posted on 03/23/2006 11:54:32 PM PST by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Thanks for the info. Just brainstorming. I know the ruling right government first blamed it on the separatists, but that move was entirely predictable. No ruling government at that time wanted to blame terrorist first, (especially prior to an election), because that is basically an admission of failure to protect its citizens from terrorism. Over here in the US, right wingers were blamed by Clinton for the Oklahoma City attack, even though McViegh's own writings clearly demonstrated he was an anarchist.
66 posted on 03/24/2006 12:13:42 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: george76

Great pic!


67 posted on 03/24/2006 2:04:24 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: spetznaz; justa-hairyape
I don't think for a second Saddam was given the location of the Special Forces, or he would have been better prepared for them. Furthermore, you are not going to locate Special Forces by satellites.
68 posted on 03/24/2006 3:31:03 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

I know it is not possible to locate special forces through Sats, and that is why I was saying that if the article is totally correct someone high up must have been passing info to the Russians. Will be interesting to see what comes out of this (although I think it will be one of those stories that just disappear into the ether).


69 posted on 03/24/2006 3:41:35 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Dog

You might be interested in this when you get home tonight.


70 posted on 03/24/2006 3:47:57 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

The allocations had a value (in this case ~$0.50/bbl) set by Iraq that was a "premium" paid to the holder of the allocation. The Company which exercised the allocation then paid the spot price for the oil at the time the cargo was loaded. The premium was then paid to the original holder of the allocation as an 'agents fee'. All clearly defined by the UN when the OFF program was established.


71 posted on 03/24/2006 3:54:44 AM PST by NAVY84
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To: Starman417
"U.S. War Plan Leaked to Iraqis by Russian Ambassador"

Didn’t do Iraq much good, and it may even been intentional on our part.
72 posted on 03/24/2006 3:56:13 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: spetznaz

Quite frankly the link provided is not working. I am having trouble locating the original documents in Russian, but when I do I will have someone who is qualified to translate them confirm what they say. Additionally, I have friends at Ft. Leavenworth who I will hopefully be seeing this Sunday. At this point I am not buying hook, line, and sinker into the "Russians did it." We shall see.


73 posted on 03/24/2006 3:57:37 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: spetznaz

Exactamundo!

My first question.


74 posted on 03/24/2006 4:03:27 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: spetznaz

Reading the mail is unneccesary. The 'Patriots' at the CIA were probably feeding this info in hopes that we would be detered. Remember the leaks have continued to this day from concerned patriotic whistleblowers!


75 posted on 03/24/2006 4:06:13 AM PST by NAVY84
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To: GarySpFc

That is good to know. I am not a military person. Took me a while recently to even learn how to spell Leavenworth. We should assume that as usual the MSM is airing someones dirty laundry.


76 posted on 03/24/2006 4:20:39 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: spetznaz

Maybe Rockefeller gave it to the Russians on his pre-War trip to the Middle East. Anybody know if he visted Qatar when he was over there visiting Syria, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1521893/posts


77 posted on 03/24/2006 5:10:41 AM PST by bw17
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To: SittinYonder

More on Mr. Titorenko (back in the days when he was aboard the convoy hit by US military personnel):

"17:45 2003-04-07
Russian Ambassador to Iraq: Americans Deliberately Fired at Russian Diplomats' Motorcade

Russian ambassador to Iraq Vladimir Titorenko believes that the motorcade of Russian cars with diplomats and journalists was deliberately fired at by Americans. During the attack, the ambassador suffered a slight hand wound. Doctors rendered aid to the ambassador.

According to the ambassador, Americans delivered fire deliberately.

Four out of the six cars had bullet holes, all of them made by M-16 rifles, reported the military experts who examined the cars. The Russian ambassador's car had three bullet holes. Journalists saw two M-16 bullets being taken out of the car.


On the motorcade's way from Baghdad to the Syrian capital, the American military stopped the motorcade several times and tried to examine the cars, but the Russian diplomats refused to obey the Americans, Vladimir Titorenko said.

Twelve people headed by ambassador Vladimir Titorenko arrived at the Tanaf checkpoint on the Syrian-Iraqi border.

Four persons were injured. They were rendered medical aid in Iraq, and an embassy doctor continues to treat them now.

Two people stayed in Faluja. These are a gravely wounded driver of a car and an accompanying diplomat.

According to Vladimir Titorenko, Iraqi doctors performed a good operation on the wounded man.

The motorcade made up of six cars with Russian embassy officials has headed for Damascus. They are supposed to fly to Moscow by a special flight organised by the Emergencies Ministry.
"

http://newsfromrussia.com/hotspots/2003/04/07/45721.html

Payback is a bitch!


78 posted on 03/24/2006 5:16:31 AM PST by bw17
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(Editor's Note: The Russian ambassador in March 2003 was Vladimir Teterenko. Teterenko appears in documents released by the Volker Commission, which investigated the Oil for Food scandal, as receiving allocations of 3 million barrels of oil — worth roughly $1.5 million. )

Go to the link and read the whole thing ping

79 posted on 03/24/2006 6:35:46 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: bahblahbah
They should put all the documents on a wiki and allow people to translate them cooperatively so work isn't being done twice.

The thing bad about all this is that Al Qaeda has thousands of people who don't have to translate them and can read them before we do.
80 posted on 03/24/2006 7:07:08 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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