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Did Russian Ambassador Give Saddam the U.S. War Plan?
ABC News ^ | 03/23/2006 | Unknown

Posted on 03/23/2006 7:21:27 PM PST by Starman417

March 23, 2006 — Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of five documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which the U.S. government has released.

The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.

The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm.

Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.

"U.S. War Plan Leaked to Iraqis by Russian Ambassador"

Documents dated March 5-8, 2003

Two Iraqi documents dated in March 2003 — on the eve of the U.S.-led invasion — and addressed to the secretary of Saddam Hussein, describe details of a U.S. plan for war. According to the documents, the plan was disclosed to the Iraqis by the Russian ambassador.

The first document (CMPC-2003-001950) is a handwritten account of a meeting with the Russian ambassador that details his description of the composition, size, location and type of U.S. military forces arrayed in the Gulf and Jordan. The document includes the exact numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, different types of aircraft, missiles, helicopters, aircraft carriers, and other forces, and also includes their exact locations. The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units.

The second document (CMPC-2004-001117) is a typed account, signed by Deputy Foreign Minister Hammam Abdel Khaleq, that states that the Russian ambassador has told the Iraqis that the United States was planning to deploy its force into Iraq from Basra in the South and up the Euphrates, and would avoid entering major cities on the way to Baghdad, which is, in fact what happened. The documents also state "Americans are also planning on taking control of the oil fields in Kirkuk." The information was obtained by the Russians from "sources at U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar," according to the document.

This document also includes an account of an amusing incident in which several Iraqi Army officers (presumably seeking further elaboration of the U.S. war plans) contacted the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and stated that the ambassador was their source. Needless to say, this caused great embarrassment to the ambassador, and the officers were instructed "not to mention the ambassador again in that context."

(Editor's Note: The Russian ambassador in March 2003 was Vladimir Teterenko. Teterenko appears in documents released by the Volker Commission, which investigated the Oil for Food scandal, as receiving allocations of 3 million barrels of oil — worth roughly $1.5 million. )


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1 posted on 03/23/2006 7:21:29 PM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417

If not, maybe Senator Jay Rockefeller did.


2 posted on 03/23/2006 7:24:25 PM PST by msnimje (SAMMY for SANDY --- THAT IS WHAT I CALL A GOOD TRADE!!!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; Tailgunner Joe; lizol; M. Espinola; MARKUSPRIME

Stating the obvious PING!!!


3 posted on 03/23/2006 7:25:09 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

Ray Robison apparently translated the document prior to ABC also...

http://rayrobison.typepad.com/ray_robison/2006/03/russia_provides.html


4 posted on 03/23/2006 7:26:50 PM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417
Makes Sense -- Now they want to block us on Iran. The Russians still have a vision of being the other competing power in the world
5 posted on 03/23/2006 7:27:11 PM PST by Xth Legion (Peace is a great alternative, after you've won!)
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To: Starman417

Could this be the "embarrassment" of "allies" that some were worried about concerning the release of these documents?
I'm glad this is all coming out. What will emerge is the efforts of France and Russia to line their own pockets and backstab us....as well as enrich themselves with "Oil"
How perfectly ironic. The critics of the war blamed us for "fighting for oil"...and here, it wasn't the US that fought for oil, but Russia and the Europeans who were willing to shut their eyes to Saddam's tortuous regime as they enriched themselves with oil.


6 posted on 03/23/2006 7:27:21 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: Starman417

Could this be the "embarrassment" of "allies" that some were worried about concerning the release of these documents?
I'm glad this is all coming out. What will emerge is the efforts of France and Russia to line their own pockets and backstab us....as well as enrich themselves with "Oil"
How perfectly ironic. The critics of the war blamed us for "fighting for oil"...and here, it wasn't the US that fought for oil, but Russia and the Europeans who were willing to shut their eyes to Saddam's tortuous regime as they enriched themselves with oil.


7 posted on 03/23/2006 7:27:28 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: Starman417
If it were any other President, I would want to know how the heck the Russians found out.

I'm sure Pollyanna told them, to make friends !

This administration is DANGEROUSLY naive.

8 posted on 03/23/2006 7:27:44 PM PST by SENTINEL (USMC GWI (MY GOD IS GOD, ROCKCHUCKER !!))
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To: Starman417

What exactly was it in Sandy Bergers pants ... hmmmm...


9 posted on 03/23/2006 7:28:56 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Liberal Lips Sink Ships....)
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To: Starman417
This document also includes an account of an amusing incident in which several Iraqi Army officers (presumably seeking further elaboration of the U.S. war plans) contacted the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and stated that the ambassador was their source

I believe this because of this one paragraph....the arrogance and naivety of third world muslims is legendary....and, yes, we take advantage of it....

10 posted on 03/23/2006 7:30:22 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: Starman417

A lot of good it did 'em!


11 posted on 03/23/2006 7:31:53 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: Xth Legion

What do you expect from a closet communist like Putin?


12 posted on 03/23/2006 7:31:54 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Starman417

13 posted on 03/23/2006 7:32:37 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Starman417
receiving allocations of 3 million barrels of oil — worth roughly $1.5 million.

Huh?? 50 cents a barrel?

14 posted on 03/23/2006 7:33:03 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: msnimje
If not, maybe Senator Jay Rockefeller did.

It was a "team" effort.

15 posted on 03/23/2006 7:35:08 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Starman417; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Did Russian Ambassador Give Saddam the U.S. War Plan?

Release/Translation of Classified PreWar Docs ping. If you want to be added or removed to the ping list, please Freepmail me.

Please add the keyword prewardocs to any articles pertaining to this subject.

Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents

Also here

Documents from the Harmony Database

16 posted on 03/23/2006 7:36:18 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Starman417
These documents are getting overwhelming... Time to bring back Ted and do a 8 hour Nightline broadcast!
17 posted on 03/23/2006 7:38:20 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: eyespysomething

I still think it was Dr. David Kelly who leaked the war plan, and was killed for it.


18 posted on 03/23/2006 7:41:54 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Starman417

This should not be a surprise to anyone. The Russians where supporting Saddam. The Russians had their goons in Baghdad and elsewhere in the country until the invasion started, and most likely afterwards, before they flew out. Most probably it will eventually be found at least some of those convoys into Syria contained Russian documentation they did not want to leave behind. Most likely as much that could be shoved into their cargo planes etc., would have existed Saddam Int. asap.


19 posted on 03/23/2006 7:43:14 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Thunder90
Just prior to the war Comrade Putin informed Saddam of everything he was mistakenly informed of by Washington. Let's not make the same deadly mistake on Iran.


20 posted on 03/23/2006 7:43:52 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free - never)
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To: cgk

I've never thought about that one before. Hmmm. Interesting.


21 posted on 03/23/2006 7:44:20 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething

I want to know WHO in Doha gave the plan to the Russians.


22 posted on 03/23/2006 7:44:45 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bush-Bot;WaterBucket Brigader;and fan of defconw;Cboldt is my mentor!)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Well, if the Russians had any involvement, we knew every bit of it. The one thing we were always really good at was reading their mail.


23 posted on 03/23/2006 7:46:39 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: Starman417

They should put all the documents on a wiki and allow people to translate them cooperatively so work isn't being done twice.


24 posted on 03/23/2006 7:49:51 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: eyespysomething
The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units.

This is why they made up the word "assassinate."

In some of the stories I've read about WMD going to Syria, sources point to a Russian plan for moving WMD from certain middle eastern countries, Iraq included. They say the Russians were heavily involved in helping Iraq move those weapons.

25 posted on 03/23/2006 7:50:11 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: bahblahbah
They should put all the documents on a wiki and allow people to translate them cooperatively so work isn't being done twice.

Somebody other than MSM needs to be doing it so we can check their translations.

26 posted on 03/23/2006 7:53:39 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Starman417
The information was obtained by the Russians from "sources at U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar," according to the document.

Better get to the bottom of this, quick. They probably already have.

27 posted on 03/23/2006 7:54:12 PM PST by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: Txsleuth
I want to know WHO in Doha gave the plan to the Russians.


Who were the senate dems there at the time? Was Weasely Clark there?
28 posted on 03/23/2006 7:54:45 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: eyespysomething

It could be that Saddam learned of the war plan from the Russians and sent someone to Kelly to find out why he hadn't said anything, and then had him killed for not revealing it sooner.

Apparently Kelly had promised Saddam there would be no invasion... then later told another senior UK diplomat named Broucher that if Iraq was invaded he would be found dead in the woods. That's where he was found... of "suicide." He also sent an email to Judith Miller shortly before his death complaining "many dark actors are playing games".

It's a strange twisted story, but when Saddam is involved I will certainly have an open mind to the worst scenario.


29 posted on 03/23/2006 7:55:32 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: SittinYonder

Let's not forget that Russian convoy that was shot up early in the war.


30 posted on 03/23/2006 7:56:15 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: M. Espinola
Let's not make the same deadly mistake on Iran.

Let's hope Dubya learned his lesson and that in the future he won't rely on his "soul-seeing" abilities.

31 posted on 03/23/2006 7:56:21 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Starman417
Sadaam [sic] Bribed Russian Ambassador with $1.5 million for US Invasion Plan
32 posted on 03/23/2006 7:57:20 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: neodad

Here's the link: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/convoy.html


33 posted on 03/23/2006 7:58:00 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: bahblahbah

I am willing to offer some (of my time) help to do this. I was thinking a CVS repository, but you are right. That is the way to do it.


34 posted on 03/23/2006 8:02:29 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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Here is the translation of the document from Roy Robison:

Office of the Presidency
Mr. Secretary (of the President)

Subject: Meeting with the Russian Ambassador

Best of our salutes,

We would like to inform you that the Russian ambassador met this evening with the general director of Foreign Economic Relations and the General Director of the Grains Trade and told us the following:

1- Provide the necessary facilitations for the travel of the Russian experts working in the projects of our ministry (probably grains or trade experts) without any delay for the period of time between the 5th and 8th of March. The last plane will take off on the 9th of March. He mentioned (the ambassador) that the request of evacuating the Russian citizens follows an order from the Russian president.

2- He said that Russia, France and Germany and both Syria and China were expected to join the three of them, have prepared a project of resolution opposing the Anglo-American project submitted to the United Nations. Voting on both projects will take place on the 9th of March. He pointed that some countries of the Security Council might refrain from voting, like Pakistan, Chili and Kenya.

3- During the meeting the ambassador gave us the following information about the US military presence in the Gulf as per the 2nd of March:

Number of troops: 206,500 out of which 98,000 naval forces and 36,500
Infantry. 90% of theses forces are in Kuwait and on the Navy ships.

US troops have reached the island of Bubiyan (Bubiyan is largest Kuwaiti island in the Kuwaiti coastal islands chain)

Number of tanks: 480
Number of armored cars: 1132
Number of artillery: 296
Number of Apache helicopters : 735
Number of fighter planes: 871
Number of Navy ships: 106. 68 in the Gulf and the rest in Oman (State of Oman), Aden (Yemen), the Red Sea and the Mediterranean Sea.
Number of air carriers: 5. One nuclear powered. Three in the Gulf one in the Mediterranean and one on its way.
Number of Cruise missiles: 583 based on the US Navy and distributed on 22 ships.
Number of Cruise missiles on planes: 64
Number of heavy bombers B-52 H: 10 in the Indian Ocean.
Number of B1-B: 8 present in the US base of Thumarid in Oman.

4- The ambassador pointed that what worried us (most probably “us” refers to the Russians) was the increase in the number of planes in Jordan where the number of planes in Al Sallt base was as follows:
24 planes F-16
10 planes Tornado
11 planes Harrier
He also mentioned that there were 10 A-10 tank destroyers in the Jordanian base of King Faysal.

5- The ambassador also pointed that a certain number of the 82nd Division (82nd Airborne) which was deployed in Afghanistan started coming to Kuwait. The number of troops has reached 750 soldiers.


35 posted on 03/23/2006 8:03:32 PM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417
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These documents are obvious forgeries by the infidel Boosh Lackies. Believe when I tell you there is nothing to see here. So move along please.

36 posted on 03/23/2006 8:06:22 PM PST by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: Starman417

Damn, the military needs to invest in some more bandwidth or use bittorent. This is absolutely pathetic. The documents are downloading at like 3kB/s.


37 posted on 03/23/2006 8:08:03 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: txroadkill
"Well, if the Russians had any involvemen..."
What do you mean by "if". Good grief. Saddam dependend on the russkies to the last minute. We know their military attache' left as our forces where starting the invasion. Most likely the Russian embassy had folks in it while some of the cruise missles rained down in baggy dad.
38 posted on 03/23/2006 8:08:30 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Mr. Mojo
The stakes are far higher with Iran in numerous respects. Bush should look into comrade Putin's eyes now, after this blatantly corrupt election, in which Moscow is so currently pleased.
39 posted on 03/23/2006 8:09:50 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free - never)
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To: bahblahbah
Damn, the military needs to invest in some more bandwidth or use bittorent. This is absolutely pathetic. The documents are downloading at like 3kB/s.

Yep, I feel like I'm at the mall the day after Thanksgiving waiting for the $10 MP3 player.

40 posted on 03/23/2006 8:11:02 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething
I wonder what' in this. I hope it's in english...

ISGP-2003-00015320
Synopsis: Document on research done about American politics
41 posted on 03/23/2006 8:16:03 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Starman417; eyespysomething; genefromjersey
B. How does somebody in Afghanistan know what evidence America possesses ?

genefromjersey today posed some questions about one of the other documents ... how did Iraq get certain info about U.S. intelligence. Did they get that from the Russians, too?

42 posted on 03/23/2006 8:18:55 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

You're right, I mis-worded that. I have no doubt they were involved...including the JDAM Busters they gave them just days before the invasion started. What amazes me is that they would even dream to think it would have done any good after the way "top soviet technology" worked so well against us in '91. I just don't see the pay out for them...could they have ever thought they would ever be able to cash those oil vouchers??? I know they Russians did some really stupid things during the cold war, but you would think they had figure out by now that their best efforts were never a match.


43 posted on 03/23/2006 8:21:48 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: eyespysomething; genefromjersey

Here's gene's questions ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601671/posts


44 posted on 03/23/2006 8:22:19 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: neodad
From your link:

The convoy of 25 diplomats, including Russia's ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, was hit by ground fire near a western Baghdad suburb Sunday. Five diplomats were reported wounded, some seriously, Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said on Russian television.

Curiouser and curiouser ...

45 posted on 03/23/2006 8:24:46 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: txroadkill
Sorry if I seemed to be a bit testy. No use lecturing you, you know as well as I that the Russian are essentially doing the same deal in Iran. They desperatly want to take the region over. They need warm water ports. Lots of gas/oil pipelines. They need to do all in their power to regain what they believe represents super power status. They must over a long period of time make sure socialism is the accepted means governance globally, regardless of the cute charades they attempt to deceive with in the mother country.
And above all they like the stupid Europeans must do all they can to oppose the US when it appears they can get away with it. Problem is they all are afraid of us from the economic as well as the military viewpoint.
As you quite aware, this whole Iranian nuclear weapon problem really rests on the Russians lap. Like they and the French primarily did with Saddam, the Russians are doing once again with the Iranians. Well as we know, since the Sha of Iran got the boot and the goons got in.
At any rate. As far as I am concerned, the cold war never went away, it just became a bit more, how should we say, lucent to the causual observer and for those that prefere to turn their heads away from the realities. GWB plays footsies with Vlad and company out of neccessity, not by choice.
46 posted on 03/23/2006 8:35:51 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Starman417

If they did, I'd imagine Saddam would have blown all the bridges to slow the allied advance, in order to inflict maximum casualties.


I doubt this happened.


47 posted on 03/23/2006 8:50:24 PM PST by SengirV
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To: Lunatic Fringe

receiving allocations of 3 million barrels of oil — worth roughly $1.5 million.

Huh?? 50 cents a barrel?

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(I think that's the value of the "allocations" - the amount of take inherent in the contracting of 3 million barrels)


48 posted on 03/23/2006 9:03:02 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: george76

That's one boob that was always cozy with the Russians. So was the boob's dad if I remember correctly.


49 posted on 03/23/2006 9:07:58 PM PST by BARLF
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To: Starman417; All
The first document (CMPC-2003-001950) is a handwritten account of a meeting with the Russian ambassador that details his description of the composition, size, location and type of U.S. military forces arrayed in the Gulf and Jordan. The document includes the exact numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, different types of aircraft, missiles, helicopters, aircraft carriers, and other forces, and also includes their exact locations. The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units. The second document (CMPC-2004-001117) is a typed account, signed by Deputy Foreign Minister Hammam Abdel Khaleq, that states that the Russian ambassador has told the Iraqis that the United States was planning to deploy its force into Iraq from Basra in the South and up the Euphrates, and would avoid entering major cities on the way to Baghdad, which is, in fact what happened. The documents also state "Americans are also planning on taking control of the oil fields in Kirkuk." The information was obtained by the Russians from "sources at U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar," according to the document.

To me, the more troubling thing is how that information got to the Russians. If the article is correct, and that the Russians knew our war plans, how did they get them?

Now, I'm sure they have the ability to know general positions of our armed forces, but to know the exact numbers as well as the actual invasion plans is not something that an orbiting satellite can provide. They got this information from some source, and if what the article says is true then that source was very well informed (and thus not some grunt fresh from junior ROTC).

How was this information obtained?

50 posted on 03/23/2006 9:08:42 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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