In which of the following countries are certain types of political free speech a crime?

The American Conservative Union ^ | J. William Lauderback, Executive Vice President

[Brad’s Gramma]

Ping to some incredibly important stuff...

[FOG724]

H. R. 1605 - Sponsor: Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] (introduced 4/13/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 4/13/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on House Administration.

S. 678 - Sponsor: Sen Reid, Harry [NV] (introduced 3/17/2005) Cosponsors (4)
Latest Major Action: 3/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

H. R. 1606 - Sponsor: Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] (introduced 4/13/2005) Cosponsors (9)
Latest Major Action: 11/2/2005 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 225 - 182 (Roll no. 559).

H. R. 4389 - Sponsor: Rep Miller, Brad [NC-13] (introduced 11/18/2005) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 11/18/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on House Administration.

H. R. 4664 - Sponsor: Rep Capuano, Michael E. [MA-8] (introduced 1/31/2006) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 1/31/2006 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on House Administration.

[Jim Robinson]

The Expertise of the Regulatory State: The FEC and Internet Rules (CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM)
Red State ^ | March 23, 2006 | Brad Smith

Posted on 03/23/2006 11:31:44 PM PST by Lancey Howard

(Go to the link for the first half of this excellent and informative column for some the background info. Presented below is the best part, and I believe this provides a pretty good summary of what Jim, and hopefully everybody else, is concerned about. This is deadly serious business.)

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In any case, on the question of internet regulation, the FEC in fact brought its expertise to bear, and determined that it would not be wise to apply traditional regulation to the internet - indeed, as outlined here, it determined that the internet did not pose a threat or political corruption, and so exempted much of the web from regulation. The result was that Representatives Shays and Meehan sued, with the support of Senators McCain and Feingold, to force the FEC to regulate the internet. And won.

So here is where we are. The FEC, appointed for its expertise in the area, has determined that the internet does not pose a threat of corruption, and exempted it from much of the McCain-Feingold law's coverage. We have no idea if the President, charged with executing the law, agrees with his FEC appointees, because he has not said. Moreover, even if he did say, he cannot legally bend the FEC commissioners to his will, nor remove them for not following his policies, so he cannot be accountable. On the Congressional side, Senators McCain and Feingold, and their House counterparts, Representatives Shays and Meehan, lacking any meaningful way to exert legislative oversight (and probably lacking a majority to do so), decided to invoke the third branch, and so went to courts and sued. A judge, not appointed for her expertise in campaign finance or the internet, held that the FEC was mistaken.

With the FEC now under Court order to act, Congress as a whole seems lost as to what to do. A majority of the House voted to preserve the FEC's original regulatory exemption by writing it into the statute - but because the bill was brought up under special rules, it needed a 2/3rds vote to pass, which it did not get. Last week, the House simply punted on the issue. It seems fairly clear that the question of the internet exemption is exactly the type of issue that Congress intentionally left to the expertise of the Commission - expertise then ignored by Federal District Court Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, at the behest of four members of Congress, represented by a bunch of foundation funded lawyers who work for "public interest groups" with no members.

This is the state of the modern regulatory state. It seems a far cry from the separation of powers and popular accountability envisioned in the Federalist papers.

[ferri]

thank you, sent the URL to a ton of people, and they will do the same!

[Paul C. Jesup]

I suggest Mr. Robinson, we find out which politicians at the Federal Level at on the side of Freedom of Speech on the internet and then concentrate efforts on those who are not.

[Lancey Howard]

BUMP!!

[Lancey Howard]

I respectfully disagree. We need to hammer ALL of them just so nobody changes their mind, and so they see that it is in their interest to work to bring their colleagues on board.

[freepatriot32]

ping

[SAJ]

''Seem'' ????

Of course, accountability is the very last thing these statist clowns want... 'twas ever thus, though.

[FOG724]

then concentrate efforts on those who are not.

I've listed the bills above. 1606 has already failed in the House. Look up who voted how.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Could you please provide a link as to a full list of those who voted Yea and Nea on 1606.

[Las Vegas Dave]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll559.xml

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 559
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

H R 1606 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 2-Nov-2005 8:08 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass
BILL TITLE: Online Freedom of Speech Act


Yeas Nays PRES NV
Republican 179 38 13
Democratic 46 143 13
Independent 1
TOTALS 225 182 26




---- YEAS 225 ---

Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Baca
Bachus
Baker
Barrett (SC)
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Beauprez
Berman
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Blunt
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boren
Boucher
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brown (OH)
Brown (SC)
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Buyer
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Cantor
Capito
Capuano
Cardoza
Carter
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Clay
Cole (OK)
Conaway
Conyers
Costa
Cramer
Crenshaw
Cuellar
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (KY)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeLay
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Drake
Dreier
Duncan
Ehlers
English (PA)
Eshoo
Everett
Fattah
Feeney
Ferguson
Fitzpatrick (PA)
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Fortenberry
Fossella
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Granger
Graves
Green (WI)
Gutknecht
Harris
Hart
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Hoekstra
Honda
Hostettler
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Inglis (SC)
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
Jindal
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kennedy (RI)
Kind
King (IA)
Kingston
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
Kuhl (NY)
Latham
Lee
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lofgren, Zoe
Lucas
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Matheson
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McCrery
McHenry
McHugh
McKeon
McKinney
McMorris
Melancon
Mica
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Murtha
Musgrave
Myrick
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Nunes
Nussle
Otter
Paul
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Pickering
Pitts
Poe
Porter
Price (GA)
Putnam
Rahall
Rehberg
Reichert
Renzi
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Royce
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Salazar
Sanchez, Loretta
Scott (GA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simpson
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Sodrel
Souder
Stearns
Strickland
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (CA)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Udall (CO)
Waters
Watson
Weldon (FL)
Weller
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (SC)
Woolsey
Wynn
Young (FL)



---- NAYS 182 ---

Abercrombie
Allen
Andrews
Baird
Baldwin
Bass
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berry
Bishop (NY)
Boehlert
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Cardin
Carnahan
Carson
Case
Castle
Cleaver
Clyburn
Coble
Cooper
Costello
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Edwards
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
Evans
Farr
Filner
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hefley
Higgins
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson
Holden
Holt
Hooley
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kirk
Kucinich
LaHood
Langevin
Lantos
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
LaTourette
Leach
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lowey
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy
McDermott
McGovern
McIntyre
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Osborne
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Petri
Platts
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Ramstad
Rangel
Regula
Rothman
Ruppersberger
Rush
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanders
Saxton
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schmidt
Schwartz (PA)
Schwarz (MI)
Scott (VA)
Shays
Sherman
Simmons
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor (MS)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Turner
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Wasserman Schultz
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Weldon (PA)
Wexler
Wilson (NM)
Wolf
Wu



---- NOT VOTING 26 ---

Ackerman
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Cubin
Etheridge
Hall
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hyde
King (NY)
Marshall
McCollum (MN)
Menendez
Miller (FL)
Norwood
Oxley
Pearce
Pombo
Pryce (OH)
Radanovich
Reyes
Roybal-Allard
Sabo
Stark
Young (AK)

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[Paul C. Jesup]

Thank you for the list. But what does "On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass" mean?

[FOG724]

On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 225 - 182 (Roll no. 559).

It just the way things are worded. A motion was made to suspend the rules, they do this all the time. Who knows what rule they wanted to suspend.

[Paul C. Jesup]

See post 15 where FOG724 partly answered my question.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Thank you for clearing that up.

[FOG724]

You are most welcome. I'll be going to DC lobbying in May. I will probably bring these bills up if there is no movement.

[Paul C. Jesup]

You are most welcome. I'll be going to DC lobbying in May. I will probably bring these bills up if there is no movement.

Good luck, maybe you can make inroads before then by asking the NRA for help. This does effect them to in that their internet speech shall also be silenced.

[FOG724]

I gave up on the NRA when they supported CARA, a government land grab.