Of course the list would be longer. Homosexuals compose about 3% of the population. Question is, will it be long enough to even approach the per capita violation rate of that tiny minority?
Posted on 03/24/2006 8:00:48 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow
The association between serial murder and homosexuality isn’t recent. Two gays compete for the spot of "world’s worst murderer." During the Nazi reign of terror, Auschwitz executioner Ludwig Tiene strangled, crushed, and gnawed boys and young men to death while he raped them. Though his grand total is uncertain, he often murdered as many as 100 a day. Gilles de Rais (Bluebeard) brutally destroyed the lives of 800 boys. Each lad was lured to his home, bathed and fed. Just as the poor boy thought "this is my lucky day," he was raped, then killed by being ripped or cut apart and either burned or eaten.
Who’s right? Does the excess of violence naturally well up from within a pathological gay subculture or do outsiders direct it toward homosexuals? Keeping in mind that only about 2%—3% of adults are homosexual or bisexual, (1) let's examine varieties of violence.
Murder and Mass Murder
Although the total number of victims dispatched by a given killer is often in doubt, (e.g., homosexual Henry Lucas claimed that he killed 350), it appears that the modern world record for serial killing is held by a Russian homosexual, Andrei Chikatilo, who was convicted in 1992 of raping, murdering and eating parts of at least 21 boys, 17 women and 14 girls. The pathology of eating one’s sexual victims also characterized Milwaukee's Jeffrey Dahmer in 1992. He not only killed 17 young men and boys, but cooked and ate their body parts.
The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay: • Donald Harvey claimed 37 victims in Kentucky;
• John Wayne Gacy raped and killed 33 boys in Chicago, burying them under his house and in his yard;
• Patrick Kearney accounted for 32, cutting his victims into small pieces after sex and leaving them in trash bags along the Los Angeles freeways;
• Bruce Davis molested and killed 27 young men and boys in Illinois;
• A gay sex-murder-torture ring (Corll-Henley-Brooks) sent 27 Texas men and boys to their grave; and
• Juan Corona was convicted of murdering 25 migrant workers (he "made love" with their corpses).
Lesbian Aileen Wuornos laid claim in 1992 to "worst female killer" with at least 7 middle-aged male victims. She singlehandedly topped the lesbian nurse team of Catherine Wood and Gwen Graham, who had killed 6 convalescent patients in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
The association between serial murder and homosexuality isn’t recent. Two gays compete for the spot of "world’s worst murderer." During the Nazi reign of terror, Auschwitz executioner Ludwig Tiene strangled, crushed, and gnawed boys and young men to death while he raped them. Though his grand total is uncertain, he often murdered as many as 100 a day. Gilles de Rais (Bluebeard) brutally destroyed the lives of 800 boys. Each lad was lured to his home, bathed and fed. Just as the poor boy thought "this is my lucky day," he was raped, then killed by being ripped or cut apart and either burned or eaten.
A study of 518 sexually-tinged mass murders in the U.S. from 1966 to 1983 determined that 350 (68%) of the victims were killed by those who practiced homosexuality and that 19 (44%) of the 43 murderers were bisexuals or homosexuals.(2)
Though probably less than a majority of mass murderers are homosexual, given that no more than 3% of the populace is gay, homosexual murderers show up much more frequently than one would expect (even Richard Speck engaged in homosexuality). Along with serial murder, there appears to be a connection between homosexuality and murder. Evidence from before the gay rights movement is limited. Of 444 homicides in one jurisdiction from 1955-1973, investigators noted 5 clear "sexual motivation" murders. Three of the 5 involved homosexuality and 2 involved heterosexuality. (3)
Probing more deeply into the connection between murder and homosexuality, Jim Warren, who worked as a counselor at the Washington State Corrections Center, did the intake interview for almost all the younger murderers (i.e., under age 36) in the state of Washington from 1971-82 (during the growth of the gay rights movement). He was "probably the only one who examined the entirety of each of their case files." Warren testified (4) that he was struck with how frequently homosexuality turned up in the cases.
Starting with a trickle of 2 or 3 murders/year in 1972 until dozens/year by the 1980s, he noted a recurrent pattern: Although the motive listed in the report was often robbery or theft, "about 50% of the time" it was also associated with homosexuality. Typically, a homosexual would meet someone at a bar or park and invite him to his home. Before the morning, an argument would ensue and he or his visitor would be dead.
Violent Sexual Practices
A substantial minority of homosexuals (between 22% (5) to 37% (6,7) ) indulge in painful or violent sex (e.g., bondage and discipline [B/D], where the partner is physically restrained and mildly tortured, or sadomasochism [S/M], where partners are tortured or hurt during sex). Even in the 1940s, psychiatrist David Abrahamsen (8) noted, "It is well known that homosexual inclinations may be accompanied by sadistic or masochistic tendencies.... These perversions play a great part in many sexual offenses and in many cases of murder." In a national survey of random samples of homosexuals and heterosexuals, (7) 32% of those males who called themselves homosexual or bisexual versus 5% of heterosexual males reported having engaged in sadomasochism; 17% of lesbians versus 4% of heterosexual women also admitted to S/M. Likewise, gays and lesbians were about four times more apt to engage in bondage than were heterosexuals.
• Homosexual books and magazines celebrate the "fun" of violent sex. For instance, a Denver gay columnist (the "leathersex fairy"), told his readers how to strangle and flog one’s partner during sex. He also extolled the practice of "hanging from a tree by meat hooks through the pectoral muscles" and described "guys who like to have burning cigars, cigarettes, or matches held near or pressed into their skin." (9) Likewise, national and international gay tour books matter-of-factly list places where sadomasochistic sex can be obtained. (10)
• In 1993, London gays raised £100,000 to appeal a conviction in which the judge ruled that "sex is no excuse for violence.... Pleasure derived from the infliction of pain is an evil thing." The crime? "Nailing a foreskin and scrotum to a board" and "pouring hot wax in a urethra." (11)
• The 1980 CBS-TV documentary, Gay Power, Gay Politics reported that about 10% of the accidental deaths among young men in San Francisco resulted from sadomasochistic sex gone awry.
Deliberately Infecting Others During Sex
Gay activists often argue that what consenting adults do in private is nobody else’s business. However, gays have sex with so many different partners (5,6,7) that they increase their risk of getting or transmitting sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Indeed, homosexuals are considerably more apt to get STDs than are non-homosexuals. (12)
Most who get an STD decide that they will do all in their power not to infect others. But others – an important minority – decide that they will make their partners suffer as much as they have. As Mirko Grmek (13) noted "every historian of disease knows that such an attitude of vengeance, or at least of recklessness, had contributed in other times to the spread of tuberculosis and syphilis." Limited evidence suggests that, compared to heterosexuals, homosexuals are more apt to harm their sexual partners deliberately. The only comparative study (5,9) on this issue found that about 1% of male and female heterosexuals compared to 7% of gays and 3% of lesbians admitted to deliberately passing on STDs that they had acquired.
When the disease is AIDS, the personal and social costs of deliberate infection are exceptionally high. Several examples of homosexuals who were deliberate spreaders of AIDS have been documented, (13) but the most notorious is that of "patient zero," the Canadian flight attendant who, until his death at age 32, shared his body and infection with 250 men every year. From the late 1970s through the early 1980s he was personally responsible for at least 40 of the first 248 American cases of AIDS and told public health officials in San Francisco it "was nobody else’s business but his own."
There also appears to be a connection between the practice of violent sex and one’s willingness to deliberately infect someone else. Dividing our random national sample (7,12) into those with no interest in homosexual activity (non-H) and those with at least some homosexual interest (H) – and combining males and females – we found that 4.0% of the non-Hs vs 21.8% of those with at least some homosexual interest said that they had participated in sadomasochism (S/M); 7.8% of the non-Hs admitted to bondage (B/D) vs 27.5% of the Hs. Further, those who had engaged in violent sex of either type were twice as likely to have deliberately attempted to infect a partner than those without such violent experience (see Figure).
In 1992 three London STD clinics reported that almost half of their homosexual patients who knew they were infected with HIV had then gotten rectal gonorrhoea. (14) These gays were not permitting their deadly infection to spoil their sexual fun. By 1993 over 100,000 U.S. gays had died of AIDS and tens of thousands had died of hepatitis B. Most of these had been infected, many deliberately or carelessly, by other homosexuals.
Homosexual Rape
The National Crime Survey (15) reported that about 1 of every 10,000 males over the age of 11 is raped each year (vs 13 of every 10,000 females) – that is, about 7% of rapes are homosexual. In two jurisdictions, Columbia, SC (16) and Memphis, TN, (17) males accounted for 5.7% of the victims of rape reported to authorities – in only one instance was the assailant a woman.
Along with the rise of the gay rights movement, homosexual rape of men appears to have increased in the past few decades. (5,15,16) Homosexual rape is twice as common in urban areas where gays congregate than in suburban or rural areas. (15) It may also be more common where the gay subculture is accepted: a 1970 study in San Francisco found that 9% of male heterosexuals and 24% of gays; 2% of female heterosexuals and 11% of lesbians reported having been homosexually raped. (18) In our 1983 national urban survey (which did not include San Francisco), 1.3% of heterosexual men vs 12.5% of gay men and 0.6% of heterosexual women vs 8.6% of lesbians reported having been homosexually raped. (5,10)
More alarmingly, between 15% to 40% of statutory rape (child molestation) involves homosexuality. (19) In one study, 25% of white gays (18) admitted to sex with boys 16 or younger when they were aged 21 or older.
Rape at any age is violent and emotionally devastating. But it can also edge victims toward homosexuality. In our national study, almost half the lesbians said they had been heterosexually raped – perhaps gravitating to homosexuality because of the experience. Males often react differently. Thus the Masters and Johnson Institute reported that a "25-year-old man had had his first sexual experience when he was 13 years old. It was arranged by his lesbian mother with an older gay man. After that episode, his imagery and interpersonal sexual experience were exclusively homosexual." (20) Likewise, "Mr. K, age 22, felt that his change in sexual preference was related to his having been raped by two men.... After the assault he experienced sexual identity confusion and began engaging voluntarily in homosexual activity. When he was seen for evaluation he labeled himself as openly homosexual." (21)
Impact of Violence On The Homosexual Lifespan
A study of 6,714 obituaries (22) in gay newspapers across the U.S. revealed that 3% of 6,574 gays and 20% of 140 lesbians had died violently:
• 1.4% of gays and 7% of lesbians were murdered (rates over a hundred times those of non-gays);
• 0.6% of gays and 5.7% of lesbians committed suicide (rates dozens of times those of non-gays); and
• 0.6% of gays and 4.3% of lesbians died in motor vehicle accidents (over 17 times the rate of non-gays)
These events, coupled with various STDs (especially AIDS) gotten from other gays, resulted in a median age of death of 40 among gays and a median age of death of 45 among lesbians. In the same study, comparison samples of married men had a median age of death of 75 and married women a median age of death of 79. For divorced or single persons the median age of death was 57 for men and 71 for women.
Conclusion
The ‘hate crimes’ gays complain about are infrequent and seldom involve more than name-calling or snide remarks. The FBI reported 431 hate crimes against homosexuals for the U.S. in all of 1991. Only one was "confirmed" for Washington, D.C. – yet D.C. gay activists claimed 397 incidents! When pressed, they admitted that at least 366 of these "crimes" consisted of "verbal harassment." (23)
In line with traditional psychiatric opinion, violence goes hand-in-hand with the ‘gay’ lifestyle. Almost all the exposure by homosexuals to violence and disease is encountered in the gay subculture. Most of the murderers in the lifespan study whose sexual orientation could be determined were also homosexual. While violence toward homosexuals is deplorable, most violence involving gays is self-induced (and the gay subculture may export more violence than it absorbs from without).
By Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the Family Research Institute of Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. http://familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet4.html
(Because the thread about the 4 year old that was killed in Africa by lesbians and the ensuing dialog it brought up, I thought this article might be of interest to those who were debating on that thread.)
Where's that Official Friday Silliness Thread?
I'm sure if we just allowed homosexuals to get married, none of this would have happened.
Put two testerone-laden males in a passionate relationship and fireworks are sure to occur.
We should see the usual attacks on Dr. Cameron from those who are frustrated by his findings but are unable to challenge them scientifically.
Happens just as often with lesbians. Cops will tell you they don't want to get in the middle of a lesbian cat-fight.
So will gay men. That's why you see few close relationships between gay men and lesbians.
"Data" is not the plural form of "anecdote."
Doesn't sound as if he's quoting "anecdotes" at all, just citing data that homosexuals don't want cited.
If he deleted the anecdotes and stuck to the data, that article would've been a LOT shorter.
Ah, so you're only challenging the length of the article and not the facts or the conclusion. Ok.
If you're going to publish a laundry list of bad things done by homosexuals as your argument, then the homosexuals will publish a much longer laundry list of bad things done by conservative Christians, thus proving that conservative Christians are more evil than homosexuals.
Which would be pretty meaningless give that homosexuals only comprise 1-2% of the population. That's why it's so much more significant that Dr. Cameron cites the elevated rates of violence within the homosexual "community."
Of course the list would be longer. Homosexuals compose about 3% of the population. Question is, will it be long enough to even approach the per capita violation rate of that tiny minority?
Based on my experience as a cop...abso-effin'-lutely.
Holocaust revisionists use the same logic to challenge the number of victims of the death camps.
So you're saying that Dahmer actually killed 100 kids a day?
Great post. The faggot lib types love to circultate lists of the great homosexuals of history with about everybody on listed from Socrates to Capote (and some doubtful or straight). But they could make up some really long lists of homosexual criminals including many in the SS, the leader of Nazi Brownshirts, many many serial killers and murderers, and many of the most infamous world leaders.
If the TOP 6 Serial Killers were REPUBLICANS, you would hve a FRONT PAGE on NEWSPAPERS ACROSS THE WORLD! Not to mention PRIME TIME NEWS SPOTS ON THE ALPHABET STATIONS, et all.....
Well, are you leaving out two facts in your thinking? No 1: in your entire career you mix with only a small percentage of people in you locale, and No 2: a police office tends to interact only with the portion of the population selected out by violence behavior.
The root of the problem is not homosexuality. It is unrestrained desire (i.e. - lust, greed). Heterosexual promiscuity, homosexuality, sado-masochism, sexually motivated murder are aspects of the same underlying pathology. The difference is only one of degree. Remove moral and societal restraints and many will drop even the pretense of self-restraint as well. The temptation is simply too great to resist.
I didn't compare the articles line by line but both look to be nearly identical.
Nope. I arrested about 200 or so apparently Godly, church-going Christians for violent crimes, and maybe half a dozen known homosexuals for same. (Note: the "known" includes folks who were "in the closet" but had been busted for indecent acts in public restrooms.)
Most (i.e., 90%+) of the homosexual arrests I made were for public indecency and/or illegal narcotics.
Actually, we were discussing Ludwig Tiene, not Dahmer.
It is, I just looked at both. This is the same article.
If you can't challenge his results, I guess that's one way of dealing with them.
You realize there is a difference between stating the facts about a desctructive and sinful lifestyle and "attacking" anyone, don't you?
A previous thread on this subject was pulled earlier today because it deteriorated into name-calling.
I will just say, in this thread, that human beings have the capacity to be violent, and a certain percentage of them act on that capacity.
A list of historical murders by homosexuals is of historical interest, but little else. A similar list of similar crimes committed by heterosexuals would be far longer, as anyone who thinks about it knows.
The vast majority of people do not commit ugly, violent crimes. That is true whether you're talking about heterosexuals, homosexuals, Polish farmers, Brazilian nut gatherers, or any other group you would care to name.
In all cases, it is logically incorrect to project violent crimes committed by any individual onto others who happen to be in a similar ethnic, religious, or other grouping that matches that of the violent criminals.
Yes, homosexuals have committed terrible crimes. So have heterosexuals. So have people of any group. Most members of any grouping have NOT done so. Please don't project, folks.
Will we now use anecdotal stories to rebut hard evidence by formal studies? There are a number of research results posted on FR over the years that directly contradict your assertion.
There are a number of things wrong with your assessment. For one thing, we must believe your count with no records. When talking about a 97% heterosexual community and a 3% homosexual part, a slight undercount of the homosexuals you arrested makes a large per capita difference.
Another thing is that you are talking about a local population. What is the percentage of homosexuals in your local community? One more thing is that of the 200 you arrested, you don't know how many were homosexuals in the closet.
One final thing is that your numbers are suspicious. 200 of a heterosexual population of 271,000,000 and 6 of a homosexual population of 8,400,000 works out to almost precisely a 97% and 3% (7.36e-7 and 7.14e-7 respectively) per capita equivalence. If I wanted to assert that the per capita distributions were equivalent, I could easily cook numbers that would work out to that point.
Sorry, I'd have to see some hard numbers, not just those you remember while counter arguing on a discussion thread. Do you have something hard we can our teeth into?
I've got anecdotal info. Served on a grand jury for about 3 months (once a week) a few years ago. The two worst crimes (two cases) involved homosexuality, one was a murder, the other a potential rape. Of course, some of the other cases could have involved homosexuals but it wasn't stated or known.
Master bambam is gonegone.
I hope he took his Fruity Pebbles with him!
I think they were attached.
Where are all the the 'gays' being attacked?
Another one bites the dust...
get out a calculator and divide 24 into 100, that's all I did, no revisionism necessary, just math
So how many times can a Nazi pull a trigger in one hour?
That the number is shocking doesn't disprove anything.
And if the screen door did hit him on the butt on the way out, I do hope the door knob didn't give him a "special" thrill.
Homosexuality is for the most part a MENTAL DISORDER.
It's a lot less dangerous now than when I was doing it. I got medically retired after just about coming to a draw in a shootout. (I damn near died, the bad guy DID die, so I won--barely.)
Retread?
We really need to take back the word 'gay'.
Let's just start calling them 'chagrined'.
/snag
He/she may have been a retread -I know that the liberal/leftist talking points were retread; every troll seems to read from the same delusional leftist script to support the homosexual agenda goals that US voters have overwhelmingly rejected over and over again.
The trolls appear to be as delusional as the cause that they advocate. From my perspective, the trolls are objectively obvious each and every time I read their postings (I wonder if the trolls are actually truly so delusional that they think they are fooling anybody with their postings)! LOL
I would suggest that the trolls should stop wasting their time attempting to turn reality on its head while pretending to ambiguously and moral relatively advocate the platitudes of equality and human rights when in reality what they advocate for is all about and involves one thing only --homosexual sexual activity; something which is definitely NOT an unalienable God given right and or definitely NOT an activity guaranteed by the Constitution.
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