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Despite terror warnings, Israel to open Karni crossing
Haaretz ^ | 3/26/2006 | Aluf Benn

Posted on 03/26/2006 10:40:43 AM PST by Sabramerican

Despite terror warnings, Israel to open Karni crossing By Aluf Benn

Under American pressure, Israel agreed over the weekend to reopen the Karni crossing Sunday to goods traffic into and out of the Gaza Strip.

Rice has been showing great interest in the smooth running of the crossings between Israel, the Gaza Strip and Egypt, having brokered the "crossings agreement" in November 2005.

Last Thursday, the assistant administrator for the U.S. Agency for International Development in the region, James Kunder, visited the area to assess the situation ahead of the Palestinian Authority's new Hamas government assuming its duties.

Livni told Rice that Israel would make every effort to reopen the crossings, barring security contingencies, and will act to prevent a humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip. She stated that Israel would not maintain any contact with the Hamas government.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretzdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabs; israel; killers; rice
Under American pressure,

Israel is today a Banana Republic. But it's OK because Israel's Best Friend Ever® is in the White House.

1 posted on 03/26/2006 10:40:46 AM PST by Sabramerican
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2 posted on 03/26/2006 11:00:09 AM PST by SJackson ([Iraq] Reconstruction isn’t news is it? Chris Matthews)
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To: Sabramerican

This only delays any meaningful solution.

The borders must be sealed and remain sealed. There should be no access into Israel by land. Gaza and the arab portions of the west bank must be forced to look the other direction for their markets, employment, and access to the world.

There will never be an independent west bank or Gaza, in my opinion, and its plain that the State Department agrees with me if they are bullying Israel into opening the border. But the answer is not making the arab regions into Israel's psychotic dependency, it is in forcing them to look toward Amman and Cairo.

The arabs want to keep things as they are, with the arab territories as a cancer on Israel. But if Israel seals the border, these areas become Egypt's cancer, and Jordan's cancer. Opening the border only preserves a very toxic status quo.


3 posted on 03/26/2006 11:07:30 AM PST by marron
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To: Sabramerican
==Under American pressure, Israel agreed over the weekend to reopen the Karni crossing Sunday to goods traffic into and out of the Gaza Strip.

It is amazing what "American pressure" has accomplished for the PLO.

1) PLO attacks Jordan's King Hussein, Syria attempts to assist the PLO. Israel scrambles F4's and conducts a flyby, thus dissuading Syria from pursuing its plans. King Hussein is poised to utterly and totally wipe out the PLO. America steps in and PRESSURES Jordan into a cease fire and also arranges safe passage for the PLO to relocate itself to one of the most beautiful and stable countries in the Middle East: Lebanon.

2) PLO wastes no time in destabilizing Lebanon, and ultimately plays a key role in plunging Lebanon in a devastating civil war. Israel is forced to get involved because of terrorism and rocket attacks emanating from Lebanon. Israel surrounds and is poised to utterly destroy the PLO. America once again PRESSURES Israel into a ceasefire and then arranges for the PLO's safe passage to Tunisia.

3) PLO continues its terrorist operations (not to mention the Intifada) against Israel from Tunisia. Secret negotiation take place that ultimately allows the PLO to return to the "West Bank." America helps broker the deal. Under American PRESSURE, the PLO moves back to the West Bank and resumes terrorist operations against Israel from within Israel.

4) Under American PRESSURE Gaza is handed over to the PLO. Then America PRESSURES Israel into allowing the terrorists to both enter and leave Israel at will.

Is it just me, or does anyone else see that there is something desperately wrong with this picture??? When are we going to start treating Israel like the ally it has always been??? Just thinking about how many times we have sold Israel down the river makes me sick in the pit of my stomach.
4 posted on 03/26/2006 11:26:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Tailgunner Joe

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5 posted on 03/26/2006 11:34:30 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; Sabramerican
does anyone else see that there is something desperately wrong with this picture???

Saudi money and business partnerships buy a lot of influence.

6 posted on 03/26/2006 11:41:10 AM PST by marron
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To: GodGunsGuts


7 posted on 03/26/2006 11:43:52 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican; marron
Why is everything that is evil in the world always laid at the Saudi doorstep. Their Kingdom is in much need of reform, and their delicate balancing act occasionally goes against our interests, but they are no enemy. Al Qaeda is gunning for the Saudis just like they are gunning for the USA. That alone should be instructive. Can you imagine if Saudi Arabia (and all its oil) fell to the terrorists? We need to help the Saudis protect themselves against the terrorists while at the same time encouraging very studied, incremental reforms. But undermining their tenuous hold on power plays right into the hands of our (and Israel's) enemies. The sooner we wake up to this fact the sooner we can begin engaging Saudi Arabia in a way that effects positive change, as opposed to tossing them to the very same wolves that seek to devour us all.
8 posted on 03/26/2006 11:59:22 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Saudis are the hive for all that is evil from the Mideast.

If you and I ever live to see them overthrown, even if it is by their Islamic enemies and the West is then forced to intervene and bring some sort of Democracy there, we will live to see the Mideast on the way to being solved.

Nothing good will occur in the Mideast while the Saudis and the Wahabbis continue to control Arabia.


9 posted on 03/26/2006 12:04:41 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: GodGunsGuts; Sabramerican
Why is everything that is evil in the world always laid at the Saudi doorstep. Their Kingdom is in much need of reform, and their delicate balancing act occasionally goes against our interests, but they are no enemy.

In pointing out that Saudi money and partnerships buy a lot of influence, I am not accusing them of being an enemy. I am merely pointing out what is to me, obvious.

At one time it was easy to view the Saudis as an extention of the US in terms of foreign policy. During the Cold War they provided the perfect hermetically sealed platform for running operations, they were our willing intermediary to the arab world, and when we organized the first Afghan war against the Soviets, they were our willing partner.

They often funded operations that congress would not authorize.

We had first preference on contracts in the kingdom. And in return, Saudi citizens were allowed to come and go freely in and out of the US. While citizens of other countries had to get in line for visas, a Saudi need merely pick up his visa at the travel agent, and stay as long as he likes.

In those days, when the Saudis seemed to have no ambitions of their own, other than to fund our ops and fund the retirement portfolios of our ambassadors and politicians, no one saw them as any kind of a threat.

Wahab islam was not an issue, because it was limited to their own territory.

Since the first afghan war, and the fall of the Soviet Union, however, the Saudis have begun funneling billions toward supporting the wahabi takeover of mosques all over the world, and funding the insurgencies that almost always result.

It is an unfortunate fact that wahab islam is a violent sect. When it was limited to the arabian peninsula, we could look the other way. Once it launched itself out into the world, however, backed by Saudi money and influence, it has led to dozens of insurgencies.

At one time, a Saudi partnership was the kind of thing a politician or state department guy or retired spook could aspire to with a fairly easy conscience, since they were our foreign policy partner almost everywhere (except Israel, where we agreed to disagree). That is no longer the case.

Your point that the wahab fanatics also want to bring down the Saudi monarchy is true but not relevant. Its always been this way. Its a partnership. The royals allow the clerics to run the people, and the clerics let the royals run the country. Once in a while, the wahabs may become a threat to the royals, but they deal with that with the axe. Mostly, they keep the wahabs pointed outward and away from their handlers, the royals and priests.

In a global world, that means toward you.

Despite everything, I still don't see the saudis as enemies per se. But be clear about who they are. They are the primary sponsors of a movement that is everyone's enemy.

It is probably saudi influence that led us to establish Kosovo as a muslim ministate. It was saudi influence that led us to contain Saddam all those years rather than overthrow him.

10 posted on 03/26/2006 12:30:09 PM PST by marron
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To: marron; Sabramerican
Excellent points, Marron. I think it is safe to say that Saudi Arabia is a mixed bag. And it seems to me that the points you outlined re: the relationship between the Saudi Royals and the Clerics is precisely where we should start pressuring the Saudis to introduce SLOW but STEADY reforms. In other words, the partnership between the two needs to be severed. Having said that, when we speak about Saudi Arabia I think we need to focus on the GOOD and the BAD in much the same way that conservative talk show hosts are clamoring for in regards to the MSM's coverage of the Iraq War. I just stumbled on the following, I cant vouch for every word, but the person giving the testimony seems to grasp 1) how important Saudi Arabia is to our strategic interests in the Middle East and 2) what an integral part Saudi Arabia has played in carrying out our policy both in terms of the WOT and in terms of both Gulf wars. Again, thanks for your thoughtful post...here's the link:

http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2005/ioi/051109p-cordesman-hearing.html
11 posted on 03/26/2006 12:55:15 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hi Tailgunner,

I would value you input on this thread. Very interesting discussion.


12 posted on 03/26/2006 12:58:39 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
re: the relationship between the Saudi Royals and the Clerics is precisely where we should start pressuring the Saudis to introduce SLOW but STEADY reforms. In other words, the partnership between the two needs to be severed.

Thats a tough nut to crack, because traditionally the Saud family has seen itself as sponsor of the Wahab faith, and that alliance has been the bedrock of their regime. Their alliance goes back over two hundred years; coincidentally about the time our founding fathers were reading John Locke, these people adopted wahab as their guiding faith.

As you say, we now have to convince them that this very alliance is now a threat to them. It will be like weaning someone off of crack.

Its going to be a process, step by step. But we really don't have any choice but to go down this road.

Thanks for the link.

13 posted on 03/26/2006 1:08:47 PM PST by marron
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