Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections (Translation)

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[Kimberly GG]

I will keep looking to see if I can find anything Powell might have said regarding his findings from this trip.


Powell Accuses Syria of Misleading Him
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/904781/posts

Damian McElroy in Damascus reports that Colin Powell's demands that extremists be driven out of the Syrian capital are being ignored
05/03/2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/905317/posts

Powell said he raised the issue of sealing the Iraq-Syria border and "turning over individuals who might turn up in Syria from Iraq." "In every instance the president said he wished to consider the point of view that I presented, and we will be following up in various channels," he said.
http://www.lebanon.com/news/local/2003/5/3.htm

Closest I could find to anything going from Iraq into Syria, in this case, 'individuals'. It's as if Powell never suspected and never mentioned that there might be movement of wmds.

[james500]

Your acquaintance sounds a bit hysterical.

This document talks about jan 2003, Prigent went on trial in march 2003 and finally went to jail around nov 2003.

What is with the strawmen about him being a "councelor" to Chirac?

[57Chevy]

The BBC, French, Russia and Germany...... There's no one you can trust. May they all rot in heil. Communist Satin B@st@rds... In twenty years, they will be forgotten!!!!!

Like queers, they should find a closet!

[icwhatudo]

"Saddam Regime Document: WMD MOVED TO SYRIA PER CHINESE INTELLIGENCE".

Now THATS the title that will get your work noticed by Newsmax, Hannity, Wash Times, FNN...and later confirmed by ABC like last time.

Great work! Keep in mind many only read the headlines so thats why, IMHO, the title selection is so important.

[jveritas]

Was he in Jail in 2002? Please ask this to the Frenchie you are arguing with :)

[Southack]

Current Affairs | 13.11.2003

Managers Sentenced to Jail in Elf Corruption Trial

 

 

In France's biggest corporate crime trial, a judge on Wednesday sentenced two former Elf Aquitaine executives to five years in prison for using company money as bribes. A German lobbyist will spend 15 months behind bars.

 

Loik Le Floch-Prigent, Elf Aquitaine's former chief executive, was sentenced to five years in prison on Wednesday. Alfred Sirven, the oil giant's former general affairs manager, received the same sentence.

 

Apart from Le Floch-Prigent and Sirven, 35 other defendants stood trial, including German lobbyist Dieter Holzer for his role in Elf Aquitaine's acquisition of an oil refinery in Leuna in eastern Germany.

 

Holzer will have to spend 15 months behind bars and pay back about €24 million ($27.8 million) in "consultant fees" he received for helping Elf to close the Leuna deal. Alfred Tarallo, the company's "Mr. Africa," was sentenced to four years in prison.

 

France's biggest corporate scandal

 

The Elf scandal ballooned into one of the most extensive legal proceedings in France's history. Investigators spent eight years researching for the trial, generating more than 45,000 pages of documents.

 

The court found that the defendants stole a total of €300 million ($346.8 million) from Elf Aquitaine, still a state-owned enterprise at the time, to use as bribes to secure Elf business contracts in Africa, South America, Russia, Spain and Germany between 1989 and 1993. Sirven, Le Floch-Prigent's right hand, allegedly funneled about €168 million ($194 million) through his Swiss bank accounts.

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

I did ask froggy, and even found web refs where he admitted to funding the de facto king of the surrender monkeys. Also found refs to the trial starting the week of march 17, 2003.

His retort was America should just shut up. When I called him on that, he stated he meant just me.

Froggy is not liking this at all, but I sure love it. Thanks for the ammo. I just love throwing these grenades at those psuedointelectual old world snobs.

So here for all to enjoy, I post a bit of his melt down:

yeah! I loved the reference to Napoleon about losses in ground battle! World War One and Verdun never existed, so we have to take references on battle we won and lost a few thousands men, and not make reference to battles where we lost about 50% of ALL OUR MEN, ALL GENERATIONS. So this is a damn stupid forgery, and I am tired of those stupid invocations about France. You still have lessons to learn from us about sacrifices made for freedom and liberty. The only war you could look at to "get it" is the secession war. Since then, the US have never exprienced what is it to have a war on their own soil, and then should just shut up, and have some respects for the dead, of all nations.

[eyespysomething]

He was an international consultant (Energy and Consulting Transport) from 1997 until 2003.

He worked for ELF, now TOTAL, the biggest French oil company and one that was involved in a HUGE Oil-for-Food scandal. TOTAL was developing the Iraqi oil fields through a deal with Saddam Hussein. They make Halliburton look like angels, lol!

Some background on the ELF criminality:

The Elf scandal in France was, according to The Guardian, "the biggest fraud inquiry in Europe since the Second World War. Elf became a private bank for its executives who spent £200 million on political favours, mistresses, jewellery, fine art, villas and apartments". Iraqi-born Nadhmi Auchi, 13th richest man of Britain and ranked in Forbes, received a 15-month suspended sentence for his involvement in the scandal. Auchi was also linked to the Clearstream scandal, while he is BNP Paribas bank's main private share-holder - until 2001, the money for the Oil-for-Food programme transited through the escrow account of the BNP Paribas [1]. Magistrate Eva Joly investigated the case.

He didn't go to prison until November of 2003, and was released due to health reasons in 2004.

And according to Business week, thanks to France's unwillingness to toe the U.S. line, TOTAL was likely to gain the inside track in oil-rich Iraq (prior to the War).

All they were waiting on was the embargo/sanctions to be lifted.

They were/are working for a deal with Iran too.

Tell your friend they're all wet!

[eyespysomething]

LOL!! (See my post #108)

[Kimberly GG]

"I hope that Powell did not take the Syrian regime word for denying the moving of Iraq WMD to Syria. In my humble opinion I think Powell agreed more with the Germans because it is an easier thing to do rather than agreeing with the Chinese because if he did agree with the Chinese intelligence that Iraq moved the WMD to Syria that means a lot of more investigations and problems with Syria something that Powell tried to avoid as a DIPLOMAT.</p>"

Re: Colin Powell

I found this. It is an interview conducted shortly after that trip. It confirms what you have posted in your translation.

I'm not sure what led the host (Mr. Schieffer) to ask the question. Why would he at that time have expected Syria to have knowledge of where Iraq's wmds were? Prior to this interview, there is NO mention that I can find anywhere, that anyone assumed the wmds might have been moved to Syria. Not even by Colin Powell.


"MR. SCHIEFFER: Mr. Secretary, you remember before all of this started, you went before the United Nations and talked about weapons of mass destruction. You said, "We had evidence that large scores of these
weapons were there." Nobody has found them yet. Did you get any information while you were there (in Syria) about that?

SECRETARY POWELL: NOT FROM THE SYRIANS, NO. AND THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN IN NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION FROM IRAQ. Their position is that they think it unlikely that Saddam Hussein would have trusted them with such weapons. Nevertheless, we will continue to watch carefully, and any information or indications we have, we will follow up on them. I am still confident that weapons of mass destruction will be found. You have to keep in mind, however, that when we passed UN Resolution 1441 on a vote of 15 to zero, just voting for that resolution signs you up to the proposition that Iraq was not coming clean, with respect to their weapons of mass destruction programs.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2003/05/sec-030504-usia02.htm

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

He is no friend.... He is a snarky leftist French expat living here in the US. I would love nothing better than sending his sorry ass back to France.

[jveritas]

Froggy is a delusional person as most French are. They have this delusional sense of greatness and glory where in reality they have been a second rated power on all levels for the last 90 years. Froggy can dismiss these documents all he wants, but at the end the bitter reality will hit him very hard as it will hit all the lefties in the US and the world.

[eyespysomething]

LOL, I've got a friend at FedEx!

Crybaby Frenchies.

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

A "Yes" May Cost France Oil Contracts
Iraq warns France of high price to pay for UN vote
Agence France Presse, December 5, 1999

An official Iraqi newspaper warned France on Sunday of a high price to pay if it sides with the United States in a UN Security Council vote linking a suspension of sanctions to a new disarmament regime.

Such a vote would be "the last straw for Iraqi-French relations," said Babel, a daily run by President Saddam Hussein's elder son, Uday.

As a result it would be "only logical for the French (oil)companies Elf and Total to close their offices in Baghdad and lose the immense concessions which they have won but not yet exploited."

"The numerous advantages which French companies enjoy on the Iraqi market could also be halted," Babel said, protesting that Iraqis had "suffered a lot because of the position adopted by the French government."

Iraq has rejected in advance a British draft resolution at the Security Council that makes a suspension of sanctions conditional on Iraqi cooperation with a new arms control panel.

US State Department spokesman James Rubin said Saturday that a vote on the resolution could come "very, very soon."

The Security Council has been divided on Iraq policy since an air war waged in December 1998 by the United States and Britain, which both take a hard line against lifting sanctions.

But a senior US official at the United Nations said Friday that the resolution would finally be voted on within the next week.

The United States backs the British draft, while France has not announced its position but played a role in enhancing a UN humanitarian programme under the resolution.

After having accused Paris at length over several days of abandoning its circle of "friends", Baghdad is counting on Moscow, which has multi-billion dollar interests tied up in Iraq, to block the resolution.

The commentary in Babel, which is run by President Saddam Hussein's son Uday, noted that France had fought against Iraq in the US-led multinational coalition in the conflict over Kuwait.

France took part "in the attacks and the destruction of Iraq's infrastructure," Hashemi said. "An historic opportunity presents itself today (for France) to allow Iraqis to forget the past and turn over a new page," he wrote, warning that "French interests and its standing in the whole region" were at stake.

Sanctions have been in force since Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Baghdad insists its weapons of mass destruction have been eliminated and that the time has come for a full and unconditional lifting of sanctions.

A ruling Baath party official, meanwhile, said the extension of the UN oil-for-food programme was nothing more an American "joke" and a ploy to pressure the Security Council into passing the British draft.

"The Security Council ... will assume responsibility for the continuation of the embargo and the agression aimed at exterminating the Iraqi people," said Abdel Ghani Abdel Ghafour.

Iraq has rejected stopgap extensions of the oil-for-food programme since the last phase run out on November 20 and taken its oil off the world market.

The humanitarian programme -- launched in December 1996 in renewable six-monthly phases -- allows Iraq to export crude to finance imports of food and medicine under UN supervision.

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

> After eight years of investigations
> Note that date line chief. March 17th 2003.

Note what you just quoted.

and read this:
http://www.fsa.ulaval.ca/personnel/VernaG/EH/F/ethique/lectures/l'affaire_elf.htm

Le Floc Prigent has been "mis en examen", which is a kind of "pre-prison",
where the person has to be available to the judge at any time, which means
impossibility to leave the city (not even the country), 35 times in 8
years, one being 2001:

and:- Mai 31, 2001 : Loic le Floc Prigent is condemned to 3 1/2 year in
Jail and 2 million francs fine.

It's just impossible that he would have been able to be both in Iraq and in
jail in the same time, does not it? And a councelor of Chirac. Do you think
Rove will still be a councelor if he his jailed?


That word... councelor... are there other arabic translations?

[jveritas]

Very interesting. Thanks for the find.

[Dog]

Why don't we repost this thread....with the corrections I am so confused now it isn't funny...

[eyespysomething]

Then how was he in Lebanon in 2002? And this story confirms their sentences were suspended, and he wasn't under house arrest, he was out of the country for goodness sake!

Key witness in Elf Aquitaine appeals case in Beirut hospital

Appeals proceedings of former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas in the Elf Aquitaine bribery case faced possible postponement after the lawyer for another person convicted in the case said Saturday that his client was in hospital in Beirut.

The lawyer said former Elf chief executive Loik Le Floch-Prigent would not be able to appear for the proceedings, which were due to start on Monday.

Le Floch-Prigent's family said that he had travelled to Lebanon last Monday, but now was suffering from an acute inflammation of the pancreas.

He is the second person linked to the case to have gone to Beirut after German businessman Dieter Holzer.

French justice officials have accused Holzer of having assisted in the embezzlement of Elf funds in the deal involving the sale of the eastern German refining plant Leuna to Elf.

In May 2001, Le Floch-Prigent, Dumas, his former mistress Christine Deviers-Joncour and Elf executive Alred Sirvens were served suspended jail sentences and fines in the Elf kickback case.

Dumas was appealing the sentence, with the proceedings to have started on Monday. dpa bb ds

Copyright 2002 Deutsche Presse-Agentur
Deutsche Presse-Agentur
March 2, 2002, Saturday
18:40 Central European Time

[jveritas]

LE Floc was not the counselor of Chirac but he was called for a meeting by Chirac counselor and other French officials upon his return form the first trip in Iraq.

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

THANKS !!!!! Perfect STFU for froggy!!!!!!!!!!!!