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Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections (Translation)
Pentagon/FMOS website about Iraq PreWar documents ^ | March 27 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 03/27/2006 7:26:09 AM PST by jveritas

Edited on 03/27/2006 8:12:49 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

In this document ISGZ-2004-028179 there is a report by the Assistant of the Iraqi Intelligence Director to his boss “The Director” dated January/23/2003 regarding the visit of one German and one Frenchman to Iraq and these two guys talk about their strong relation with the top government officials in both France and Germany. In this letter the German that German Chancellor Schroeder was totally opposed to the idea of the war in Iraq and it his opposition to the possible war that made him win the German elections held in 2002. Also there is an important part of the letter where it mention the visit of German Chancellor to meet with the Chinese Prime minister and that the Chinese PM told Schroeder “about the information that was obtained by the Chinese intelligence and it says that Iraq has moved his mass of destruction weapon to Syria and the German Chancellor told him that the German intelligence did not indicate this. And after two days the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news.” Also in the letter it show the fear of the French to join the war because of the heavy losses that will suffer..

Beginning of the Translation of 4 pages report in document ISGZ-2004-028179

In the Name of God the Most Compassionate The Most Merciful

The Republic of Iraq

The Intelligence Apparatus

The respectful Mr Director of the Apparatus

Subject: The Frenchman Le Floch and the German Dieter Holzer

In the date of 10/1/2003 the two mentioned above arrived to the country in visit for two days only and they did during their stay with the following activities:

1. They met with the deputy of the Industry and minerals ministry and they spoke with him about the possibility of building the non working factories since the year 1991 and provide the country with the spare parts that the ministry needs in the domain of industry.

2. They met with Mr. Ghazi Faysal the chairman of the department First Political Department in the foreign ministry and they spoke with him about the following subjects:

A. The German Holtzer confirmed that Chancellor Shroeder does not like the Leader President but he still oppose the war and it is because of his stand on this he won the latest elections and in case his stand changes this will lead to his loss of the Chancellery and that he hot replacement is ready to win the position and he is the economy minister the German Clement from the ruling Socialist German Party.

B. He mentioned that a meeting in Beijing in the beginning of this month was held between the Prime minister of China and the German Chancellor Schroeder in the occasion of the opening project for the fast train and the latter was asked about the information that was obtained by the Chinese intelligence and it says that Iraq has moved his mass of destruction weapon to Syria and the German Chancellor told him that the German intelligence did not indicate this. And after two days the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news..

C. He suggested the idea of bringing the Pope John Paul II to visit the country because this visit cause Bush Junior to lose his balance and that he has good relation with the originally German (Ratzinger) in the Vatican and that the latter has influence has influence through waving the card of the financial support that Germany give to the Vatican and it is estimated to be (around 6 billions dollars yearly).

D. He indicated that Chirac became a honorary President of Europe not through elections but through popularity since most of the countries of Europe oppose the war but this man is not courageous and he needs the support of Iraq and for example present what proves that his weapons of mass destruction were destroyed.

C. He express the readiness of French and German companies to execute projects in Iraq as long as the necessary moneys are guaranteed to execute these projects because its revenue decreased lately due the decrease of oil exports.

3.In our meeting with the German Holzer he spoke about the following subjects:

A. He was shown a secret report prepared by the French Army Chief of Staff who presented to Jacques Chirac warning him of the losses that the French troops suffered in Spain and Germany during Napoleon campaigns because the participation of France in the possible war against Iraq will let her suffer huge human losses because it is impossible getting the Iraqi President by aerial bombing and that the entering in street fights will be a disaster for them

B. He intend to buy a residential house in Baghdad under the name of his wife where as his wife is Palestinian and that he visited one of the houses in Arsat and he paid the house own (150) 150 thousand dollars but the latter asked for 300 thousand dollars.

4. Opinion:

A. There phone has been wiretapped for surveillance and they were followed and also the there was phone wiretap of the Syrian Jamal Saba for surveillance because they vist him and to control their relations and we will show the results later.

B. The Paris station informed us that they were coming to the country to prepare for a visit by the ex-German economy minister with a delegation of German companies to the country for commercial purposes and their visit to the country was shortened because this is not the first time we have doubts about their real intentions toward the country.

C. We prpose to continue in following them inside the country and direct the Paris station with the necessity to put them under an operation of check up and verification and observe their connections.

For your review Yours… with regards

The Assistant for the Director of Intelligence

23/1/2003

End of translation


TOPICS: Breaking News; Germany; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; france; germany; iraqiintelligence; jveritas; kgb; onfreep; prewardocs; putin; redchina; russia; sovietunion; weasel; weasels
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1 posted on 03/27/2006 7:26:15 AM PST by jveritas
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To: eyespysomething

Here you go.


2 posted on 03/27/2006 7:26:58 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections (Translation) ^

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3 posted on 03/27/2006 7:27:32 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething

He mentioned that a meeting in Beijing in the beginning of this month was held between the Prime minister of China and the German Chancellor Schroeder in the occasion of the opening project for the fast train and the latter was asked about the information that was obtained by the Chinese intelligence and it says that Iraq has moved his mass of destruction weapon to Syria and the German Chancellor told him that the German intelligence did indicate this. And after two days the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news..

When does the bombing begin? I'm sure this will be on tonight’s news. Yea right.


5 posted on 03/27/2006 7:31:09 AM PST by angcat
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Comment #6 Removed by Moderator


7 posted on 03/27/2006 7:33:18 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: SittinYonder

Note #3-A also. Chicken poop French!


8 posted on 03/27/2006 7:33:39 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Bookmaestro

ping


9 posted on 03/27/2006 7:37:29 AM PST by JR Reyling
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping


10 posted on 03/27/2006 7:39:24 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: All; Admin Moderator
I made a typing mistake in the translation the German intelligence "DID NOT INDICATE THIS".

Admin: Is there a possibility to correct this. Thank you.

11 posted on 03/27/2006 7:42:47 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: eyespysomething
GBC predicts that before the week is out Libs and the MSM will criticize the release of these documents as further proof of President Bush's incompetence as he is endangering long standing friendly alliances.
12 posted on 03/27/2006 7:44:54 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Self appointed RNC Press Secretary for Smarmy Sound Bites.)
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To: DocRock

Ping to self to read later


13 posted on 03/27/2006 7:46:41 AM PST by DocRock
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To: SittinYonder

I made a typing mistake it should read that "German Intelligence did not indicate this".


14 posted on 03/27/2006 7:47:16 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: eyespysomething

please add me to the list, thanks.


15 posted on 03/27/2006 7:49:01 AM PST by dervish
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To: jveritas

I've hit abuse on this post, it gets their attention quicker!

;-)

I explained what the problem is, may be thread should be pulled, let you correct it and repost.


17 posted on 03/27/2006 7:50:36 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: jveritas

God Bless W for taking on the beast of terrorism backed by the socialist beast of France, Germany, China.


19 posted on 03/27/2006 7:53:51 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: jveritas


This has got to be Loik Le Floch-Prigent the document refers to....


20 posted on 03/27/2006 7:54:38 AM PST by james500
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To: jveritas

bump


21 posted on 03/27/2006 7:54:42 AM PST by tcrlaf
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To: Admin Moderator

just in case - it's also in #2-B in the main body of the document.


22 posted on 03/27/2006 7:55:18 AM PST by eyespysomething
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Elf Executives Jailed Over Fueling Corruption in Africa
By Hector Igbikiowubo
Vanguard
November 18, 2003

France's mammoth Elf corruption case, probably the biggest political and corporate sleaze scandal to hit a western democracy since World War II, closed last Wednesday as three key former executives of the oil giant were jailed for up to five years over corrupt practices in Africa. Elf's former chairman, Loik Le Floch-Prigent, 60, was sentenced to five years in jail and fined 375,000 euros (US$375,000); his principal bag-man, the former director Alfred Sirven, was given the same prison term and ordered to pay 1 million euros. The company's "Mr Africa," Andre Tarallo, was jailed for four years and fined 2 million euros. The judge, Michel Desplan, said Le Floch bore "the primary responsibility" for the Elf affair and was "personally behind a majority of the misappropriations". To Sirven, he said: "All this would not have happened without Le Floch, but it could not have existed without your help." The three were among 37 defendants on trial for illegally siphoning off an extraordinary 350 million euros of the then state-owned company's funds, from 1989 to 1993, while Le Floch was chairman.


23 posted on 03/27/2006 7:57:31 AM PST by james500
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To: xzins

That may not be correct....


24 posted on 03/27/2006 8:00:01 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: xzins

See post #14 !!!!


25 posted on 03/27/2006 8:01:47 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: jveritas
In the date of 10/1/2003 the two mentioned above arrived to the country

In case anybody's wondering, most of the rest of the world goes day/month/year, so it's the 10th of January.

26 posted on 03/27/2006 8:08:24 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: eyespysomething

Thank you. The body of the translation still shows "did indicate" instead of "did not indicate". Can you please help on this.


27 posted on 03/27/2006 8:08:26 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Admin Moderator

It is in the first paragraph as well as in the body of translation in bold letters. Thank you for your help.


28 posted on 03/27/2006 8:12:51 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you very much. Now it is fixed.


29 posted on 03/27/2006 8:13:46 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Moderators would be the only ones able to edit that ....I think....if not perhaps the whole thread should be pulled....


30 posted on 03/27/2006 8:14:00 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: jveritas; xzins; All

The translation has been corrected per request - "did indicate" was changed to "did not indicate" in two places.


31 posted on 03/27/2006 8:14:32 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: jveritas

Good! Thanks for your work! Are you seeing double yet?


32 posted on 03/27/2006 8:14:56 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you. It makes a big difference.


33 posted on 03/27/2006 8:16:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: Religion Moderator; jveritas

Thanks to everyone making these translations possible. Certainly, we're not seeing much of them on most of the network news--including Fox, who seem to have committed all their resources to the sadly murdered minister.


34 posted on 03/27/2006 8:16:55 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: eyespysomething

You somehow deleted the NOT in "did NOT indicate this".


35 posted on 03/27/2006 8:17:04 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Religion Moderator; jveritas; xzins; All; eyespysomething

I think there is still a problem in #4,#6, and #18....


36 posted on 03/27/2006 8:17:05 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: eyespysomething

Oh, ok, it wasn´t you fault.


37 posted on 03/27/2006 8:18:43 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Religion Moderator; jveritas; xzins; All; eyespysomething

Yes, I agree.

I would agree to my #18 being pulled if the mod thinks that best.


38 posted on 03/27/2006 8:19:00 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; bannedfromdu; Beckwith; ...

MI ping


39 posted on 03/27/2006 8:19:13 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

LOL, soon to be one of the most confusing threads of all time!


40 posted on 03/27/2006 8:19:48 AM PST by eyespysomething
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The admin fixed the post, it should be OK now. The importance of this is that the Chinese Intelligence had information of Iraq moving the WMD to Syria according to the report.
41 posted on 03/27/2006 8:22:40 AM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Thank you for your hard work.


42 posted on 03/27/2006 8:24:52 AM PST by Sundog (cheers)
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To: jveritas
"The admin fixed the post, it should be OK now. The importance of this is that the Chinese Intelligence had information of Iraq moving the WMD to Syria according to the report."

Worth Repeating Bump!

Thanks for all your hard work!
43 posted on 03/27/2006 8:28:07 AM PST by DocRock
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To: SittinYonder; eyespysomething; jveritas

You need to get the moderator to change your statement here at post # 6...or
just have it deleted!!!!


44 posted on 03/27/2006 8:28:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: jveritas; Allegra; Marine_Uncle

Right!!!!

Very important news!!!!


45 posted on 03/27/2006 8:30:34 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: jveritas; Religion Moderator; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Jveritas, thanks for an outstanding thread. I agree that the information about the Chinese is still outstanding confirmation of the WMD/Syria connection.

I appreciate Relig Mod's decisiveness and Ernest's watchfulness. Thanks to all.


46 posted on 03/27/2006 8:31:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: james500
Here's another article, with pictures of Le Floch and Holzer

Here

The biggest trial in postwar French history opens in Paris as 37 suspects face charges of profiting from corruption and illegal kickbacks in the early 1990s in conjunction with the French oil company Elf-Aquitaine.

47 posted on 03/27/2006 8:32:10 AM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: jveritas
Beginning of the Translation of 4 pages report in document ISGZ-2004-028

I keep getting File Not Found Error when clicking the link.

48 posted on 03/27/2006 8:32:22 AM PST by fso301
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To: BIGLOOK
" Also in the letter it show the fear of the French to join the war because of the heavy losses that will suffer.. "

Not that French are fearless of military losses, but I presume that $100 billion in Iraqi oil contracts (as a starter) was more critical to France’s attempted of Iraqi Freedom.

49 posted on 03/27/2006 8:33:19 AM PST by elfman2
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To: xzins
"I agree that the information about the Chinese is still outstanding confirmation of the WMD/Syria connection"

Do we know if this is actual “confirmation” or if several nations were just repeating the same few bits of intel?

50 posted on 03/27/2006 8:37:29 AM PST by elfman2
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