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Justice Dept. Figures on Incarcerated Illegals
NewsMax.com ^ | March 27, 2006 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 03/27/2006 7:07:14 PM PST by Carl/NewsMax

One of the more popular claims by illegal immigration proponents is that those who enter the U.S. by breaking the law are invariably "hard-working" and "law-abiding" once they get here.

That argument, however, has one major flaw. According to Justice Department statistics and the analysis of immigration experts, the "law-abiding" claim often isn't true.

As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

Citing an Urban Institute study, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies Steven Camorata noted in 2004: "Roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population."

Former California Gov. Pete Wilson places the percentage of illegal aliens in U.S. prisons even higher. In 2001, he told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly:

"We had problems related to the costs of educating children who were acknowledged to be in the country illegally, healthcare costs. One in five in our prison population were illegal immigrants who had been convicted of a felony after entering the country illegally."

The Federation for American Immigration Reform also turned to the Justice Department to get statistics on criminal aliens. They report:

"In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones [including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings].

"In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens [who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges]."

Up to a third of the U.S. federal prison population is composed of non-citizens, according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics - but not all non-citizen prison inmates are illegal aliens.

As to the "hard-working" claim, CIS notes: "The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households."

Investor's Business Daily concurs: "Once [illegals] get here, they are 50 percent more likely to be on welfare than citizens."


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To: ER Doc
the low estimate I've seen recently for total illegals in the US is 12 million. If 270,000 served jail-time, that's 97.75% not in jail, mostly doing honest work.

Since about 1/5 of the jail population is comprised of illegal aliens, then we can estimate about 5*270K = 1.35M people served jail time. Since the US population is about 294M people, over 99.5% of the general population is not in jail, mostly doing honest work.

Clearly, the illegal alien community has a significantly lower rate of people who are not in jail, mostly doing honest work than the rest of the population.

Also, as mentioned in the article, 108K of those jailed illegal aliens were in jail in California, and the CA prison population is estimated to be closer to 1/2 illegal alien. Given the CA population estimate of 36M, even if all of the estimated twelve million illegal aliens were in CA (to maximize the denominator for the illegal aliens and minimize the denominator for the legal aliens plus citizens -- obviously an exaggeration), the illegal aliens would have twice the rate of members in CA jail. Since that proportion is an exaggeration, the illegal alien membership of CA jails is proportionally even higher. And, therefore, the proportion of illegal aliens not in jail, mostly doing honest work is significantly lower than in the rest of the population in California, as well.

21 posted on 03/27/2006 8:59:32 PM PST by heleny
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To: I got the rope
Their kids are born here so now they are tied to the US because their kids are now citizens...even though they are illegal.

Mexico and many other countries allow children to claim the citizenship of their parents. So, many US-born babies of illegal alien parents could still go to their parents' home countries without visa problems if the parents were ever deported.

22 posted on 03/27/2006 9:03:11 PM PST by heleny
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To: heleny

Mexico allows dual citizenship.


23 posted on 03/27/2006 9:05:39 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: ER Doc
"If 270,000 served jail-time, that's 97.75% not in jail, mostly doing honest work. Just saying..."


That 270,000 is not the number that are criminals-just the number of illegals who got caught and were jailed in just one year, 2003!
24 posted on 03/27/2006 10:09:28 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Smartass; potlatch; Carl/NewsMax
Nice going Senate RINO's.

Today I called Maggie in Pete's SF office and gave her the long version: Barrier now; amnesty never.

The profusion of Chihuahua plates and pointy cowboy boots in aqua and coral has reached tsunami proportions, and it ain't due to global warming.

Again, this is no melting pot, no assimilation.

In South Pacific was the line "I am so easy to assimilate"--

Pero ahora it's the Mexican flag waved by Mexicans in the streets cursing Americans in Mexican.

Picture the reverse (Americans in Mexican streets cursing Mexicans in American) and picture Vicente blithely ordering live-fire operations.

The Department of Homeland Security has failed as miserably as Brown's Federal Emergency Mess Agency--

The invasion has been successful--Bush has rescinded Houston v. Santa Ana--

Tomorrow he will return the Alamo with his heartfelt apologies en Espanol por seguro.

"To provide for the common defense. . . ."

. . .and all that oath of office stuff about dispensing with the Constitution and seeing to it that the laws be faithlessly flouted.

As his alma mater enrols the Taliban's foremost flacker--

Stay tuned for World on Its Head--

25 posted on 03/27/2006 11:21:13 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Termites are slowly and steadily destroying this house, America.


26 posted on 03/28/2006 3:11:38 AM PST by RoadTest (The wicked love darkness; but God's people love the Light!)
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To: Smartass

A nurse told me that they see lots of exotic third world diseases in our charity hospital. TB is epidemic and one can get it standing in line in the grocery story, docs have told me. One night late I came on some research showing the only thing effective against the drug- resistant TB was nicotine. So, now, when docs challenge me about smoking, I say I'll stop when they control
TB. In the meantime I am using it as a preventative. LOL


27 posted on 03/28/2006 4:21:10 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: heleny

Just because someone is not in jail does not mean they are doing honest work. They may or may not be working.


28 posted on 03/28/2006 4:23:31 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Smartass
"Most politicians from California are democrats. Illegal aliens voting for them there is their base. That's how they've been winning elections."

I understand this is an aspect. I do not know wha happened, precisely, in CA with Pete Wilson and prop 187 that turned the state dem. I am sur, however, that national dems hope to repeat that now. They have said for years that the browning of America worked in their favor. That's why they want amnesty. I am noticing that the media is reporting bills in Congress as Republican bills.

29 posted on 03/28/2006 4:28:53 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt; potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; bitt; devolve; OXENinFLA
I'm not against legal, controlled immigration. But, among other things, when we have thirty million illegals that are not being tested for any contagious diseases, that to me is a serious problem. Also must be noted, that all illegals are not from just Central and South America, but tens of thousands from Asia and elsewhere visiting on visas, then just don't ever go back. The question must always be who, what and where, otherwise why have a Homeland Security or borders? Why be a sovereign nation?

I'm not a smoker, so I can't lend anything to your question! However, common sense would tell me/you to take my chances in a controlled TB environment, than uncontrolled.

30 posted on 03/28/2006 7:51:30 AM PST by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: ClaireSolt; potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; bitt; devolve; OXENinFLA
Yes, most politicians from California are democrats. That's a known fact. California was a democrat state way before prop 187, or Pete Wilson. Credit the taxpaying people there to know right from wrong. When presented with a choice, they'll vote for the right person and the right laws. But, when one person wearing a black dress, overturns the will of millions, then we no longer live in a democracy, but under judicial tyranny.

Prop 187 was an initiative overwhelmingly voted on by the people of California. However, like most California initiative's it was quickly challenged by the ACLU and every Latino group in California. Since California is a liberal state, so are it's left leaning judges, federal courts included. Hence, prop 187 was deemed unConstitutional. Yet Arizona, which is in the 9th Circuit too, recently passed a similar law that is on the books.

"I am noticing that the media is reporting bills in Congress as Republican bills."

Your question is very broad and unclear? Which bills are you speaking about? In which congress, the house or the senate? Legislation is introduced by both parties, and in both congresses, sometimes jointly?
31 posted on 03/28/2006 8:30:27 AM PST by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

They're counting all the Hispanics serving jail time in 2003 as illegal aliens. here Plus, Hispanics are only 38% of California's prision population, even if we assume that all of them are illegal aliens, there is no way they can make up half of California's prison population.

32 posted on 03/28/2006 8:51:23 AM PST by waiver
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To: ClaireSolt
Just because someone is not in jail does not mean they are doing honest work. They may or may not be working.

Yes, you are absolutely right, and I agree. I was reusing another poster's words (hence the italics), combined with some numbers, to counter his argument that the illegal aliens aren't so bad because most are not in jail. In comparison, the non-alien population in jail is proportionally lower.

33 posted on 03/28/2006 7:37:55 PM PST by heleny
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