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Greenhouse theory smashed by biggest stone (most potent greenhouse gas is H2O)
Space and Earth Science ^ | March 14, 2006 | University of Leicester

Posted on 03/28/2006 5:52:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: randog
"Too many paychecks depend on the fossil-fuel-is-evil theory."

Like WMD, people think of weaponry that has a trigger or shaped like a bomb rather than Bio-Warfare. We tend to think of oil for cars, machinery etc. while forgetting how something like a zip-lock bag to childrens toys, to parts of cars or anything that is plastic - that is actually what we are addicted to. You can purchase several different oils for your car, lawn mowers etc. that are man made and very good. Packaging with plastic is really a problem as it is wasteful and costly.....and it takes barrels of oil to produce it.

41 posted on 03/28/2006 8:49:10 AM PST by yoe ("If the enemy is in range, so are you.")
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To: muawiyah
So, you're the smart guy, give us the answers on this one.

Simple.

Belief in global-warming is faith-based science.

People who believe it don't need any facts, just the love and support of their fellow global-warming zealouts.

42 posted on 03/28/2006 8:56:05 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I wonder if ABC news will pick up on this.........


43 posted on 03/28/2006 9:00:24 AM PST by lmailbvmbipfwedu
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There used to be a 2 mile high glacier in my backyard in Indianapolis.

It went away one day.

You telling me it didn't warm up?

44 posted on 03/28/2006 9:01:27 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There used to be a 2 mile high glacier in my backyard in Indianapolis.

It went away one day.

You telling me it didn't warm up?

45 posted on 03/28/2006 9:02:56 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

I have one word for that action.

SPRINGTIME.


46 posted on 03/28/2006 9:10:14 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well, clearly we're all going to have to stop drinking water and breathing, since that increases water vapor in the atmosphere.


47 posted on 03/28/2006 9:15:49 AM PST by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: muawiyah
Irrigation could very well increase the amount of water evaporated into the air several percentage points. So, you're the smart guy, give us the answers on this one.

The short answer is that in irrigation (the part of it the works and isn't wasted) the water soaks into the ground and some of it is taken up by plants whereas over large open bodies of water there's nothing to slow it down.

Example: two thirds of the precipitation that falls east of the Rockies, comes from the Gulf of Mexico. It's a little over 66%.

Irrigation water evaporation on the other hand, has yet to reach the tenth of one percent range. It has about as much impact as an extra quart of water going over Niagara Falls.

We can even estimate the temperature of the water being used, in general, for irrigation purposes, as well as how much of it is sprayed and so forth, and it turns into a simple mathematical exercise.

It is definitely not as simple as that. You don't take into account the ambient air temperature, the dew point (which effects how much can be evaporated), how much of it is absorbed by the soil, winds, which can change the whole equation, the amount of insolation (sunlight) and dozens of other factors it would take too long to list.

If weather/climate research were as simple as you make it our to be, we'd already have our forecast for Easter 2020.

48 posted on 03/28/2006 9:17:55 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: capt. norm; muawiyah
Evaporation is its own solution because under certain conditions water vapor turns reflective. Clouds and snow are white because they bounce back the full spectrum of light. They bounce sunlight back into space and bounce heat back towards Earth. If we manage evaporation, cause it to happen when conditions are right and suppress it when they are not, we can control the climate to be anything we want. If we create a canopy the climate below it cools forcing out the water. Most of the management would likely occur on the ocean surface. Scientists need to start developing these technologies rather than on leftist political solutions that are really anti-technologies.
49 posted on 03/28/2006 10:33:56 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses
There are many excellent facts in your post but the relationships are all askew. Piecing together what you have posted is going to require it to be organized into some kind of coherency.

*Or maybe it's just me "sigh".

50 posted on 03/28/2006 10:40:12 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: capt. norm
Irrigation is generally used in arid or semi-arid regions. It's pretty easy to find the numbers needed to estimate all of this.

Concerning "soaking into the ground", it does that ~ INITIALLY ~ and then it is sucked up by the plants. Much of it evaporates directly ~ that's why irrigation leaves behind salt damaged land.

51 posted on 03/28/2006 11:27:59 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Concerning "soaking into the ground", it does that ~ INITIALLY ~ and then it is sucked up by the plants. Much of it evaporates directly ~ that's why irrigation leaves behind salt damaged land.

I'm sorry, but none of that has anything to do with the factors I mentioned in my post.

First of all, irrigation has been taking place on a long term basis and it's effects are barely measureable on today's equipment. As I mentioned, we're talking about a factor that amounts to hundredths of one percent, at best. Micro-trivia! What is your point?

*Please excuse me for guessing, but this wouldn't happen to be your your day off, would it?

52 posted on 03/28/2006 11:37:19 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ah, so dihydrogen-monoxide is linked to global warming!
53 posted on 03/28/2006 11:40:33 AM PST by Smedley
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To: muawiyah

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54 posted on 03/28/2006 11:43:35 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: capt. norm
Irrigation has been taking place for a long time ~ right ~ and we can pretty well establish when it was first implemented on a widespread scale because the Earth heated up.

That's way back when rice cultivation spread throughout China and East Asia.

Lightweight plastic pipe, cheap pumps, and other pieces of technology have allowed for a vast expansion of irrigation over the past 50 years.

Several issues back a Brit researcher saw his research into the matter of a coming Ice Age Glaciation published in Scientific American. It is his thesis that we are actually in the cool-down phase leading to widespread glaciation BUT widespread agriculture has served to keep the Earth warm. He pointed to a drop in global temperatures coincident with the great die-off of American Indians (1500-1600), and the consequent rise in global temperatures coincident with European/African re-settlement of the Americas.

55 posted on 03/28/2006 11:44:38 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Sorry. My "Tin Hat Alarm" failed to go off on your post.

I have since replaced its batteries and it's now working fine now ...whoaaa!....let me turn it down here.

There might be a coherent thought in what you posted, but I sure don't have time to search for it.

56 posted on 03/28/2006 11:49:41 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
yuh, just received this from fellow at NASA.

Ocean water absorbs SO MUCH of the Sun's heat for this planet, otherwise we'd be in trouble. Great paper.

Luckily, the 'chance to debate' this theory has not been declared 'over' by Al Gore.

57 posted on 03/28/2006 11:53:57 AM PST by foldspace (Tom Delay is NOT a criminal)
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To: gobucks

Yes, the same big government that is running France to the stops will defend the earth against the big bad CO2. Get popcorn and watch the show.


58 posted on 03/28/2006 11:54:28 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: foldspace

Yup, the ocean absorbs lots and lots of heat.


59 posted on 03/28/2006 11:56:00 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: cogitator

LOL!! You missed adding an 'incorrect' about my Hillary statement!!!! Jeeeez Louieezzzzee!!


60 posted on 03/29/2006 3:54:34 AM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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