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An American Indian Speaks Out Against Illegal Aliens
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=7272 ^

Posted on 03/29/2006 9:32:17 AM PST by vrwc0915

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To: fish hawk
maybe see a different part of the world.

Try for some Atlantic Salmon in Eastern Canada or even Scotland.  The farm raised stuff is junk compared to Pacific salmon, but the wild Atlantic salmon is excellent.  And it's supposed to be an excellent fight.

My mom and dad used to go to Canada to a company retreat with big customers of his and they'd usually bring back several big salmon frozen inside of blocks of ice.  At the camp the guides would clean the fish that had been caught then put them in big plastic tubes, fill it with water then seal it and freeze.  They'd ship them back to the guest's home in insulated boxes.  Primo.

My mom grew up in The Nations, as she called it, moving from reservation to reservation with her dad, who was BIA.  He loved the various indian peoples and the cultures and always said that we had some indian blood (but everyone else in the family says he was just making that up).

Regardless I grew up with a lot more knowledge about "human beings" (which is what I was told the names of most tribes was closest to in most native languages... all except the Apache... <g>) than the rest of my peers in suburban NY.  I still have family in Wyoming and New Mexico and they all stay in close touch with the local tribes.  I hear great stories and get to go visit friends we've all made over the years on the reservation when we visit.  It's a whole different world than what gets depicted most of the time in the MSM, if they ever bother to mention these people at all.

101 posted on 04/10/2006 5:35:14 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Cronos; dennisw
rot -- the Mexicans are, for the most part, descendents of native peoples from Mexico.

Yes, but they are NOT the native peoples from the American southwest, which is what they are claiming at these rallies and in their offensive fiction of Aztlan.  The folks from La Raza and Mecha have invented a myth that the Aztec people of central Mexico had an ancestral homeland that was a "great nation" and extended from the Pacific of Northern California to the Texas gulf coast, including all the states in between and the northern states of present day Mexico.  And they say this was stolen from them, not by the whites, but by the American indian tribes that live there now.  They insist that all of the interlopers must leave, white, black, asian and American indians.  And of these groups they have the least enmity towards whites, though that's hard to gauge since they want us all dead (after we pay reperations).

The people of the American southwest fought with the people of Mexico long before whites came to this continent and the enmity is real and it is being ignored by ignorant folks on both sides.  The biggest supporters of the Minutemen project are the tribes whose land is being trashed by the illegals along the border.  The "jobs that Americans won't take" are often the jobs that the native Americans of that region would be doing, but at a higher wage, if the illegals weren't undercutting them.  Genetics has very little to do with this.  It's culture and American indians and Hispanics have very little in common culturally.

A comment from a friend in The Nations who now lives in the Albequerque area is "We kicked their ass in the 1800s, we can kick their ass again today.  Bring it on, chica."

And you DON'T want to hear the comments my nephew, an LA cop, is hearing from the black gang bangers in South Central.  There's a possible race war brewing and it won't be between whites and Hispanics or whites and blacks.

102 posted on 04/10/2006 5:47:55 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: vrwc0915

Amen.


103 posted on 04/10/2006 6:59:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Major_Risktaker; WLR
Sometimes it helps to read throught all the postings. Please see post #42.

sheeesh - you know THIS is why we shouldn't LEAP to conclusions, but read on. I was merely being cautious.

104 posted on 04/10/2006 7:00:39 AM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: Phsstpok
Interesting.

Well, I sure didn't like getting told FU by school children, because we drove passed a protest of them and said, "God Bless America" with a smile on our faces. It made this 'ol lady want to join something to stop them, I'll tell yah.

105 posted on 04/10/2006 7:04:04 AM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: Phsstpok
Yes, but they are NOT the native peoples from the American southwest, which is what they are claiming at these rallies and in their offensive fiction of Aztlan.  The folks from La Raza and Mecha have invented a myth that the Aztec people of central Mexico had an ancestral homeland that was a "great nation" and extended from the Pacific of Northern California to the Texas gulf coast, including all the states in between and the northern states of present day Mexico.  And they say this was stolen from them, not by the whites, but by the American indian tribes that live there now.  They insist that all of the interlopers must leave, white, black, asian and American indians.  And of these groups they have the least enmity towards whites, though that's hard to gauge since they want us all dead (after we pay reperations).

I agree 100% with you. I will merely add that I think some research has shown that the Aztecs did wander to the Mexico City area. That they did have origins in Colorado-Utah. I find it amusing these Aztlan retards self-identify with the bloodiest Indian tribe of all time. The level of human sacrifice beats out all contenders

106 posted on 04/10/2006 7:14:54 AM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: vrwc0915

Good Article!


107 posted on 04/10/2006 7:16:28 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Phsstpok

Ted Williams was famous for his Atlantic coast salmon fishing. http://www.asf.ca/journal/2002/02fal/hasheyd.html


108 posted on 04/10/2006 7:19:32 AM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: dennisw

I've read that liguistically, the closest Indian relations to the Aztecs are the Utes.


109 posted on 04/10/2006 8:20:19 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: dennisw
The level of human sacrifice beats out all contenders

It was slaughter on an industrial scale, but remember, Abraham was going to sacrifice his son and that "family scale" human sacrifice was common at that time in his part of the world.  In proportion to population if Abraham had sacrificed his son it probably would have been proportionally as bad as the Aztecs.  Same thing for the Celts of pre and non-Roman Europe and I'm sure for most other peoples around the world.  Hell, what were the Salem witch trials but human sacrifices?  The Aztecs practices are horrible because of the mass of victims gathered together at one time, just as with the scale of slavery in North and South America after plantations got started accentuating those horrors.  However, a slave was just as much in chains and a human sacrifice was just as dead, whether done individually or in large groups.

My family name was brought to this continent by my ancestor while a slave.  He was put in chains and sent off to work on a sugar cane plantation in the Carribean following the failure of one of the last Jacobite rebellions in Scotland.  Chains is chains.  He certainly had more opportunities to get out of it than those brought from elsewhere, but he was bought at the slave auction just like the rest.  The family legends about those years are horrendous.  Ever see the movie Captain Blood with Errol Flynn?  Along those lines.

I was aware that some of the roots of the Aztecs were in the Rockies, but I understood that they weren't "the Aztecs" until they banded together with other groups, conquered the central Mexico region and took over Tenochtitlan as their capital.  That history, as alluded to in the original part of the article, adds to the enmity between the self styled descendants of the Aztecs and the descendants of the folks that drove them out.

To put it in more contemporary terms, the people that became the Aztecs never controlled the region that they claim as Aztlan, but they did have a home in the neighborhood.  Other people did take control of the area in the time honored way, just as the Aztecs took over their domain in central Mexico when they moved there.

Have you ever been to the Acoma Pueblo about 40 miles west of Albuquerque?  It is listed as the oldest continuously inhabited city in the US, something like 1500 years.  We visited there one Christmas vacation.  Coldest place I've ever been in my life.  We took the tourist bus up onto the mesa some 500 feet above the surrounding country, which is already 7,000 feet above sea level.  There's nothing between there and the North Pole and even the barb wire fences are way down below, so there's nothing to slow down the wind.  When the bus got to the top of the mesa the 7 families who live there year round at the time (a few hundred live there in season) came out to sell us pottery and other souvenirs.  It was about 20 below and a biting wind and this one guy came out in shorts and a T shirt.  I said "fella, please, your making feel like I'm freezing just looking at you."  He pointed to an out house sticking out over the edge of the mesa and said "imagine going out there at 3 in the morning, now that's cold!"

It is one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen, but MAN!

110 posted on 04/10/2006 8:31:39 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: King Prout

Eh!


111 posted on 04/10/2006 8:47:56 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: NordP
No offense meant. I agree we have to watch out for set ups some so called conservative who experiences and "epiphany" and converts to liberalism or Islam :). I was providing additional information including info on the Churchill issue to help folks make their independent assessment.

W
112 posted on 04/10/2006 11:38:22 AM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: hispanarepublicana

LOL. It's not drank in massive quantities, it's only a very small cupful.


113 posted on 04/10/2006 2:39:14 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te fortuna sinet.)
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To: Phsstpok

I know that's true (race war) - and it's something no one ever mentions. I'm not, either.


114 posted on 04/10/2006 4:34:34 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: dennisw

Nobody ever wants to claim Karankawa blood, wonder why? (Cannibal Indians on the TX Gulf Coast.)


115 posted on 04/10/2006 4:36:35 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Phsstpok

Thanks much. You know this subject better than me.


116 posted on 04/10/2006 4:57:08 PM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: dennisw
You know this subject better than me.

Not hardly.  I have strong opinions and I express them freely, but I claim no value beyond my own opinion for my posts.  My other regular tag line is "often wrong, but never in doubt." 

117 posted on 04/10/2006 5:16:38 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Phsstpok

Jacobite rebellions.... was this related to the clearances? I wasn't even aware of the clearances until this year. How they stimulated immigration to America


118 posted on 04/10/2006 5:23:21 PM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: Shade2
Robert Schmidt runs a rumor mill...there on Yahoo.

And the NativeTimes is full of very leftist/socialist viewpoints. I know...I actually read it. Of course they would have a ax to grind with David Yeagley. While I cannot attest to David Yeagley's blood line....I will take him at his word...until I know otherwise.

Most Indians I know have bought into the Democrat bilge. Sad to say even many of my relatives.....

We think D.C. politics is ruthless/dishonest....you ain't seen an election until you've seen an Indian election. Ha!!

119 posted on 04/10/2006 5:50:19 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Butcher Kilroy
There is no America or Mexico or Canada. Its one integrated country or will be soon. At least, thats what Bush wants it to be. United States of North America(USNA)

And like any modern day classroom teacher can tell you about group dynamics, America will be pulled down to the level of Mexico - Mexico will not be pulled up to the level of America.

120 posted on 04/10/2006 5:58:30 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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