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Vicente Fox Needs a Lesson in Civility
Human Events ^ | March 29 2006 | JD Hayworth

Posted on 03/29/2006 10:00:34 PM PST by Reagan Man

Earlier this week, President Bush urged that the debate on illegal immigration be conducted in a “civil and dignified” manner. I agree. And perhaps no one needs to hear that admonition more than Mexican President Vicente Fox, with whom President Bush is now meeting. President Fox has made it clear that he has nothing but contempt for our laws and our people. And his remarks have been anything but civil or dignified.

President Fox has called U.S. border control efforts in San Diego and Texas “discriminatory.” He said those of us opposed to illegal immigration are part of “minority, xenophobic, discriminatory groups.” And President Fox astounded us all when he declared that illegal aliens in the U.S. “take work that not even blacks want to do.”

President Fox called the Minutemen “migrant hunters,” yet calls Mexican illegal aliens “heroes.” He called the House passage of a provision authorizing the construction of a border fence, “disgraceful and shameful.” He refuses to even recognize that those who cross our border without permission are illegals, infamously telling Sean Hannity, “They are not illegals. They are people that come there to work, to look for a better opportunity.”

Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez has been equally intemperate and contemptuous of our sovereignty. Derbez called the House-passed immigration reform bill, “stupid and underhanded.” He recently speculated that one cross-border incident in Texas might not have involved Mexicans at all, but American troops masquerading as Mexican soldiers to help drug runners. He once even referred to Hispanic voters in Arizona as “our own Mexican-Americans.”

And we’re supposed to be the arrogant ones in the relationship?

Americans are tired of being told that they are bigots by the likes of President Fox and Foreign Minister Derbez, and President Bush should publicly make it clear to both of them that their clumsy, over-the-top rhetoric is unwarranted and unacceptable.

This is how absurd the situation has become. In 2002, Mexico petulantly expelled on charges of domestic interference a dozen American college students that were legally in country. Why? Because they participated in a protest against a planned airport.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of illegal Mexicans protest on our streets, disrupt our cities, and intimidate our citizens—and are celebrated by the mainstream media and cheered on by the Mexican government.

If America ever interfered in Mexican internal affairs the way Mexico interferes in ours, our diplomats would be expelled. So I say any Mexican diplomat found to have helped plan, organize, or participate in the recent protests should be expelled forthwith.

One columnist, Ernesto Portillo, went so far as to compare these outrageous protests to the Boston Tea Party, calling them “part of our rich tradition.” He wrote of the protestors, “their hope is to be part of the American fabric,” although the only fabric I saw on display in Phoenix and Los Angeles were the flags of Mexico, Colombia, Nicaragua, et al. And Portillo wants us to believe these people truly want to be Americans?

These recent protests also illustrate the sense of entitlement permeating the illegal alien mindset. Many of the marchers think they are special because the American southwest once was part of Aztlán, the mythical place of origin of the Aztec peoples, although to many it refers only to those parts of Mexico taken over by the U.S. in 1846. As Samuel Huntington pointed out, “No other immigrant group in American history has asserted or has been able to assert a historical claim to American territory. Mexicans can and do make that claim.”

Indeed, a 2002 Zogby poll found that 58% of Mexicans believe the American Southwest rightfully belongs to them, while 57% don’t think they need permission to enter our country. So it is not surprising that last week we saw protest signs like this: “I’m not illegal because this is my homeland.”

But the Mexicans aren’t the only ones who demand special treatment. In Washington a few weeks ago, Irish illegal immigrants protested for amnesty at the Capitol. One of the participants, lobbyist Niall O’Dowd, argued that Irish illegals were “a special case” because of “how much Ireland has contributed to America in the past,” a claim that could be made by almost every ethnic group in the world. O’Dowd’s goal is to ensure that “the Irish as a nation never have to deal with this issue of illegality in the U.S. again.”

Got that? A special open borders policy just for Ireland. As a columnist in the Irish Daily Mail put it, “[Irish illegals] express a kind of indignation that the Irish should have to get in the queue with the Mexicans and the rest.”

It is easy to understand why someone would want to flee Mexico, with its corrupt and backward economy. But Ireland has one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Irish illegal aliens have no excuse for breaking our laws other than, apparently, they think they’re “special.”

But the only truly “special” people are the American citizens our government is supposed to protect and defend. It has often been said that America cannot be the policeman of the world, but neither can we be its economic overflow tank. It is time for President Bush to start paying less attention to Vicente Fox and friends, and more attention to our own people.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; civility; illegal; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; jdhayworth; lessons; mexico; vicentefox

1 posted on 03/29/2006 10:00:35 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man

America needs a President brave enough to tell Vicente Fox to jump in a lake. We send factories and jobs to Mexico, and all Fox gives us in return are insults, not to mention truckloads of poor people. We should be slapping Mexico with reparations for all the billions we spend on programs for illegal aliens or at least demand more oil.


2 posted on 03/29/2006 10:10:07 PM PST by Holden Magroin
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To: Holden Magroin

       SOLD!

3 posted on 03/29/2006 10:11:00 PM PST by Icelander (Legal Resident Since 2004)
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To: Reagan Man; Congressman Billybob; Do not dub me shapka broham; Travis McGee
President Fox has called U.S. border control efforts in San Diego and Texas “discriminatory.”

and they should be - these efforts should discriminate between those who legally enter the country and those who do so illegally. it is like discriminating between a good steak and a maggot-feast. discrimination is a GOOD thing.

He said those of us opposed to illegal immigration are part of “minority, xenophobic, discriminatory groups.”

well, if knowing my classical history and applying that knowledge to the current conditions makes me a minority... so be it.
If believing that my country should allow only my countrymen and those earnestly seeking to become my countryment to exist within its borders makes me "xenophobic"... so be it.
If judging Mexican culture inferior to that residue of the healthy vigorous culture of my country makes me "discriminatory"... so f[beep!]ing BE IT.

4 posted on 03/29/2006 10:11:31 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: Reagan Man
Most Americans don't get it.

Mexicans generally regard California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas as part of Mexico, that had been stolen from them. Now that these states are developed with a vibrant economy, they come to the US to take back what is historically theirs.

This is no joke. Several Mexicans have stated this to me as a matter of fact. The illegal alien "problem" is not about amnesty, or temporary work permits. It is about creeping, intergenerational reconquest of the Southern USA by Mexicans, since they have no hope to do so by force of arms.

This is also the hidden agenda of the Mexican government aided by such institutions as the church and the Mexican Army drug smuggling operation.

We simply should round up all illegals and ship them south, and wall off the border. Enforce the law as it is now.

5 posted on 03/29/2006 10:14:04 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Holden Magroin

The US almost went to war with Japan in the late '20's early '30's over immigration. What's to stop us now with Mexico except for the people who want to hand over everything over to a third world country without a fight? I for one will not stand for it.


6 posted on 03/29/2006 10:15:00 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: Reagan Man

I heard someone say, this week, that we buy ALL of Mexico's oil. Can anyone verify that? That, to me, puts us at the receiving end of anything Vicente-baby wants to dish out.


7 posted on 03/29/2006 10:15:07 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Candor7
Yeah, but when were Iowa, Nebraska, and North Carolina part of Mexico?
8 posted on 03/29/2006 10:21:21 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Holden Magroin
This is really getting stupid. Freepers are now saying GWB is not a brave President, nor a man that is got the best interest of this country as the #1 goal in his life.
OK, be stupid, forget the war, and forget trying to solve the illegal problem(we are not going to get everything we want all at once), go to war against the best POTUS in my lifetime. And when you are telling your grandkids about somethings that we used to have, tax cuts,a strong military, conservative judges on the Supreme Court, you will be able to brag how you helped kill all that.
Oh, and don`t forget to send terrible Tom his $$.
9 posted on 03/29/2006 10:21:43 PM PST by bybybill (RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Reagan Man

President Bush should reach out, and knock some sense into him.


10 posted on 03/29/2006 10:21:48 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Reagan Man

Fox and his political party are out the door this year.


11 posted on 03/29/2006 10:22:11 PM PST by NapkinUser (Secure our borders, no amnesty.)
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To: bybybill

"Oh, and don`t forget to send terrible Tom his $$."

I'm sure it won't be as high as the $$$$$ the RNC will recieve from the big business.


12 posted on 03/29/2006 10:26:05 PM PST by NapkinUser (Secure our borders, no amnesty.)
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To: bybybill

Best president in your lifetime, boy you must be young.

I voted for Bush twice and regret I did. His Iraq war was a stupid mistake and he's selling out my kid's future to get a few Mexican votes.


13 posted on 03/29/2006 10:28:23 PM PST by bannedfromdu
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To: NapkinUser
Good riddance.
14 posted on 03/29/2006 10:33:03 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: bybybill

Over the last five years Bush and the GOP Congress have done nothing to solve the problem of open borders and illegal aliens. If the Congress votes to give illegals a guest worker road to amnesty, it wil mean more Hispanic votes for the Democrats. Think about it.


15 posted on 03/29/2006 10:35:38 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: bybybill

"forget trying to solve the illegal problem"

The only way bush is trying to solve the illegal problem is by changing their name. Illegal would now be guest worker. No more illegals. Problem solved.


16 posted on 03/29/2006 10:35:52 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Icelander; Reagan Man
Fox's party is about to lose to the furthest left element running for the national election...

His nationalist overtures and pandering are nothing more than the dying gasps of man who represents Mexico's feeble attempt at joining the 'westernized' world...

If you here a sucking sound that is Mexico about to go down the [Chavez] rat-hole...

Fox has failed lift Mexico out of its crap-hole, and he has had the best contemporary opportunity to do so...

Fox is a pathetic pandering politician...not unlike the crap that populates Washington today...

Mexico is being swallowed by the socialista tide that has consumed central and south America...

If you thought Fox was a fool, you were right. If you thought Fox was an adversary...wait until you meet the Mayor of Mexico City...
17 posted on 03/29/2006 10:41:34 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH - PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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To: Prokopton
Yup, until the next non-amnesty amnesty is enacted by Congress.
18 posted on 03/29/2006 10:43:47 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: bannedfromdu
I wish I was young, I do remember Vietnam and what those 'sunshine warrors" cost us. Iraq was a very tough but, correct call, and, what would you do as President, besides something in your pants, to solve the problem?
Notice you forgot to mention 9/11.
19 posted on 03/29/2006 10:51:56 PM PST by bybybill (RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Icelander

CAPTION:

Dubya: "My good buddy Vicente just told me that he'd really help us with the border by putting troops in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. I think we have a deal!

Fox: (thinking to himself -"Oh I'll protect the border - with Oklahoma")

20 posted on 03/29/2006 10:53:30 PM PST by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: NapkinUser

The RNC should get a lot of our money, they will keep HILLORAT home baken those cookies, while the terrible one will continue to divide the country and loss elections


21 posted on 03/29/2006 10:55:30 PM PST by bybybill (RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Holden Magroin
Apparently from the actions in Washington, we have made plans to secede California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas to Mexico. If you can't beat em join em.
22 posted on 03/29/2006 10:57:37 PM PST by Dallas59 (MOHAMMED LIED-PEOPLE DIED)
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To: bybybill

What has 9-11 has to do with Bush and just what has the Iraq war accomplished?.

Like Vietnam, the numbnut didn't plan it welll and now we're stuck there for years to come.

Perhaps he can get his army of GUEST ILLEGALS to go help our soldiers fight


23 posted on 03/29/2006 11:00:23 PM PST by bannedfromdu
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To: bannedfromdu

Thanks for your support, but, if we serve together in a war, could you find o different foxhole, I don`t want you in mine.


24 posted on 03/29/2006 11:10:16 PM PST by bybybill (RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: bannedfromdu

For the life of me, I can't figure out why they banned you at DU? You carry their talking points well.


26 posted on 03/29/2006 11:25:57 PM PST by CAluvdubya (The ignorant defeatocrats have declared war on the War On Terror!)
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To: Holden Magroin

We need a President Hound for this fox.


27 posted on 03/29/2006 11:26:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: bannedfromdu

And the R's are naive if they think they are going to get those votes. Historically the overwhelming majority of illegals(amnesty/citizens) vote Dem.


28 posted on 03/29/2006 11:31:36 PM PST by biff
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To: Reagan Man

I've heard that Mexico deports people who illegally cross over its southern border, coming from countries farther south, so they definitely are not only tolerating "illegal immigrants" from other places, they are talking out of both sides of their mouths. What a bunch of f---ing hypocrites they are who "run" Mexico, starting with Vicente Fox.


29 posted on 03/30/2006 1:08:02 AM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: pbmaltzman
I've heard that Mexico deports people who illegally cross over its southern border, coming from countries farther south, so they definitely are not only tolerating "illegal immigrants" from other places, they are talking out of both sides of their mouths. What a bunch of f---ing hypocrites they are who "run" Mexico, starting with Vicente Fox.

Whoops! Had a brain fart there! Note to self... that should be: ...not only are they NOT tolerating "illegal immigrants" from other places...

30 posted on 03/30/2006 1:12:48 AM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: Reagan Man
I was in Mexico on vacation in July of 2000 when Fox was elected. I have learned to have nothing but contempt for this man since. I want to go back this summer to be there when he loses.

And why is Bush kissing up to him?

31 posted on 03/30/2006 2:25:50 AM PST by manwiththehands (A Republican is as a Republican does.)
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To: Icelander

Yup.

Bush does Fox's bidding, no matter what it is.

Where is that picture of Bush with Abdullah?


32 posted on 03/30/2006 2:28:29 AM PST by Sometimes A River (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Yeah, but when were Iowa, Nebraska, and North Carolina part of Mexico?

Add to that Washington DC, itself?

the infowarrior

33 posted on 03/30/2006 3:19:06 AM PST by infowarrior (The GOP runs the US, the Dems run their mouths... Freeper HardStarboard)
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To: bannedfromdu
You have not been paying attention. There already are several thousand such non-citizens already serving in our military.

Who do you think is going to pay social security tax that Congress will not reform, where are the "voters" crying out to get control of that sucking sound? Congress is the body that has turned its back on our borders, and illegals are such a potential windfall for a few elected politicians.

I do not know who you have been listening to but you need to step outside your little box. What is happening today comes about for many reasons and if you think it is just a simple matter of loading up 12 million human beings and sending them across a border you are lost.

Personally, I hold the American people responsible because they have bought into life long money schemes such as social security and somebody else pay my medical bill care promises. Further where were you complaining when the Clintons made the INS their get out the illegal vote agency.
34 posted on 03/30/2006 3:36:10 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Reagan Man
"President Fox has made it clear that he has nothing but contempt for our laws and our people. And his remarks have been anything but civil or dignified. "

I am not soft on this matter but in a sense how can you blame him?

Fox and all Mexican leaders are the equivalent of the scoundrel father who sires 20 children and, when he doesn't feed or clothe them, finds that the local community is doing that very act. And when the community decides to thrust the children back on their family of origin, the father (scoundrel) gets inflamed.

We have met the enemy and he is us. Mexicans laugh at us and how we coddle the illegals, and how easy it is for illegals to get taxpayer benefits, and free education, court settlements for "bad" medical treatment, and sue decent Americans in court.

I am one of the few who do not find this to be a border issue. If only it were just a border issue. It is all the other matters that make immigration so maddening.

35 posted on 03/30/2006 3:48:33 AM PST by tom h
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To: Candor7
The mindset is one of invasion rather than immigration-----the plan by illegals to overthrow the US government:

Reconquista Armando Navarro 'Ethnic Studies' Professor at the University of California, Riverside Anti-American, Fifth-Column Menace. "Ladies and Gentlemen, what this means (the immigration bill) is a transfer of power, it means control, and it is the young people, the people who are now moving to develop an agenda for the twenty first century they are going to be in a position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, even in the terms of an Aztlan...."


36 posted on 03/30/2006 3:53:11 AM PST by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: bboop
"I heard someone say, this week, that we buy ALL of Mexico's oil. Can anyone verify that? That, to me, puts us at the receiving end of anything Vicente-baby wants to dish out."

I don't know about that but I did read that we buy 60% of Venezuelas oil which is 13-15% of our total oil imports. So, Chavez has a lot more to lose than us if that relationship goes sour. However, Venezuela has more proven oil reserves than the US, Canada and Mexico combined and are the world's 4th largest oil exporter.

37 posted on 03/30/2006 4:26:58 AM PST by blam
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To: Reagan Man

Mr. Fox took office with much hope and fanfare.
Mr. Fox will leave office accomplishing nothing for his country.
Mexico is at least as corrupt and pathetic as when he took office.


38 posted on 03/30/2006 4:31:40 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: bannedfromdu

Why in the world would DU want to ban a whiney leftest liberal like you?


39 posted on 03/30/2006 5:20:40 AM PST by Ace the Biker (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: Reagan Man; HiJinx; gubamyster
"Don't worry Vincenty, I'll just call the new amnesty a 'guest worker program.'

My peons are so estupido, they won't figure it out for years."


40 posted on 03/30/2006 7:07:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Reagan Man

And I know just how to give him that lesson.

President Bush needs to enter into an agreement with the governments of El Salvador and Guatamala who have borders with Mexico to take all the Mexicans crimaliens ICE catches and take them to the border with Mexico. The border which the Mexican Army patrols and uses Guatamaleans and Salvadoreans wandering (or migrating) into Mexico for target practice.

The Mexican Army will be so overwhelmed by trying to keep Mexican nationals out of Mexico that they won't have time to run interference in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas for the crimaliens traffickers in drugs and human cargo.


41 posted on 03/30/2006 8:39:33 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Ace the Biker

Actually Ace, i'm a diehard hard conservative.


42 posted on 03/30/2006 9:08:26 AM PST by bannedfromdu
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To: bybybill

Oh yes you would, did two tours in Vietnam never got a scratch.


43 posted on 03/30/2006 9:10:55 AM PST by bannedfromdu
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To: Reagan Man
President Fox has made it clear that he has nothing but contempt for our laws and our people.

Nevertheless, he shares the same views with Dubya on the illegal immigration issue.
So THEIR meeting will be labled “civil and dignified”,
and only Americans who oppose their proposals will be demonized as lazy, xenophobic racists.

44 posted on 03/30/2006 9:15:30 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!!)
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To: bybybill
This is really getting stupid. Freepers are now saying GWB is not a brave President, nor a man that is got the best interest of this country as the #1 goal in his life.

Allow me to let you in on something. 98% of politicians are NOT about the best interest of this country. They are power hungry whores by nature.

45 posted on 03/30/2006 10:33:07 AM PST by jmc813 (I Thessalonians 5:9-11)
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