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Albanian Muslims object to city's statue of Mother Teresa
The Scotsman ^ | March 30, 2006 | BENET KOLEKA

Posted on 03/30/2006 2:39:43 AM PST by MadIvan

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To: mark502inf
What BS!! YOU are clintonoid apologist for terrorists that is what you are!!
51 posted on 03/30/2006 7:19:17 PM PST by Lion in Winter (violent islam is the same as just plain islam. No peace at all!! Just mass mayhem.)
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To: Mister Da

I'm offended that they consider islam a religion.


52 posted on 03/30/2006 7:21:35 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: mark502inf
Real CONSERVATIVES HATE CLINTON and do not support milosevic!! THAT WOULD BE ME!!

Unlike YOU who adore Christian killing mussies and clinton policies!!

See, bud.... clinton was a war criminal and he got away with it.

You support CLINTON'S POLICIES SO YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN A MILOSEVIC SUPPORTER.

DEAL with it, LIBERAL.

53 posted on 03/30/2006 7:24:55 PM PST by Lion in Winter (violent islam is the same as just plain islam. No peace at all!! Just mass mayhem.)
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To: mark502inf

Ha ha.


54 posted on 03/30/2006 7:26:39 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: rfreedom4u
"I'm offended that they consider islam a religion."

Me too, me too!! Clinton was a big albanian supporter... and he was SUPPORTED$$$$$ by a bunch of Albanian lobbyists who got their money from CRIMNINAL activies.

55 posted on 03/30/2006 7:28:10 PM PST by Lion in Winter (violent islam is the same as just plain islam. No peace at all!! Just mass mayhem.)
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To: rfreedom4u
Also, make sure you note WHO on this forum supports clinton's policies in the Balkans.

clinton's policies to help the mussies who fought against Christian Serbs in Bosnia. clinton who supported Bosnian mujahadeen who provided passports to bin laden and the plotters of 9/11.

And don't forget, that many of the 9/11 hijackers served with the Bosnian mussie "army" in its civil war against the lawful govt. of Yugoslavia.

albanian terrorists and land thieves, also had bin laden support in Kosovo.

56 posted on 03/30/2006 7:35:09 PM PST by Lion in Winter (violent islam is the same as just plain islam. No peace at all!! Just mass mayhem.)
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To: MadIvan

Screw the Muslim hordes.


57 posted on 03/30/2006 7:37:12 PM PST by Thumper1960 (The enemy within: Demoncrats and DSA.ORG Sedition is a Liberal "family value".)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

A liberal Muslim is one that will only cut half of your head off.


58 posted on 03/30/2006 7:39:10 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Wake Up, America - before it's too late))))
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To: MadIvan

We do not want this statue to be erected in a public place, because we see her as a religious figure," said Bashkim Bajraktari, Shkoder's mufti, a Muslim religious leader.

Too damn bad. If they don't like the staute just let them do what they always do, cut the head off of it.


59 posted on 03/30/2006 7:41:22 PM PST by antiunion person (Maybe it is BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Thumper1960
"Screw the Muslim hordes."

Them and clintinoids too!!

60 posted on 03/30/2006 7:46:00 PM PST by Lion in Winter (violent islam is the same as just plain islam. No peace at all!! Just mass mayhem.)
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To: Hoplite
Ha ha.

I know. Took the words right out of my mouth.

Did some lurking for the last several months; looks like you are still the master of the Balkans threads. I will soon be making another long trip--Afghanistan this time--and will probably revert to listening silence again. -Mark

61 posted on 03/30/2006 7:57:27 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: MadIvan

Build the statue. Let me slap their toothless primitive whining Muslim faces.


62 posted on 03/30/2006 8:02:19 PM PST by Jorge
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To: MadIvan
saying it "would offend the feelings of Muslims".

BETTER WAKE UP WORLD!

63 posted on 03/30/2006 8:08:26 PM PST by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: Lion in Winter
Hey, Lion. I've been on the road some. There are Bosnians and Macedonians and Albanians fighting alongside the Americans against the Islamist terrorists. No Serbs, though. Maybe in their sorrow over losing their ally Saddam and their pre-occupation with their new trade agreements with Iran they forgot to join up with America in the war on terror. Or maybe W and Condi told Serbia to pound sand until they turned in or tried their own terrorists like Mladic and Karadzic. Or maybe it's all of the above.
64 posted on 03/30/2006 8:13:03 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Stanistan?

But that's so 2002!

Seriously, stay safe, and if someone offers you a GAZ jeep to use, punch them in the head, 'cause they don't like you.

65 posted on 03/30/2006 8:19:46 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: mark502inf
>>>>>>Uh, weirdos like Mother Theresa?<<<<<

Hello, Mother Theresa was not born in Albania, she never lived in Albania.

>>>>>Or the Albanian government that has opened its training bases to our troops for their final exercises while enroute to war?>>>>>

Our troops or YOURS ?

66 posted on 03/30/2006 8:23:06 PM PST by DTA
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To: DTA
Mother Theresa was not born in Albania, she never lived in Albania.

Argue with Mother Theresa. She says she was Albanian (see post 36). She spoke Albanian. The Albanians have named their main airport after her. The biggest Albanian charity is called The Mother Teresa Society. The fact that she was born in an Albanian populated area of the Ottoman Empire before Albanian gained its independence from Istanbul makes her no less Albanian.

Here's a nice photo of the statue of Mother Teresa located on Mother Theresa Boulevard in Pristina, Kosovo; its been up about four years now:


67 posted on 03/30/2006 8:42:06 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
An Englishman born in Australia is not an American. A German born in Switzerland is not an Austrian. A Spaniard born in Tenerife is not a Mexican.

Yet, we have to accept that an Albanian born in Macedonia is Albania's national figure :-)

At least we do not have problem with the nationality of Osama Bin Laden who set shop in Albania.

68 posted on 03/30/2006 9:12:42 PM PST by DTA
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To: DTA
Give it up DTA. Mother Teresa says she's Albanian. She speaks Albanian. The name she was born with (Bojaxhiu) is Albanian. According to Mother Teresa's brother, their father was murdered by Serbs because of his involvement in Albanian nationalist activities:

`The suffering of our family started when the Yugoslavs and Albanians were fighting for Kosova and the other provinces of Albania in which was the City of Skopje. Our father ... was very active in politics and the Albanian National question. He tried very hard to obtain the national rights of Albanians, with all his heart he tried to keep the Albanian territories in Yugoslavia together with Albania. When Yugoslavia took over the territories the family was persecuted and my father poisoned.'

69 posted on 03/30/2006 9:31:38 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Well, he was an atheist who fought wars with Christian Slovenia...

And your "proof" for this is?

70 posted on 03/31/2006 3:35:57 AM PST by F-117A
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To: mark502inf; jb6; Lion in Winter; joan; F-117A
>>>>>>>>The suffering of our family started when the Yugoslavs and Albanians were fighting for Kosova and the other provinces of Albania in which was the City of Skopje. Our father ... was very active in politics and the Albanian National question. He tried very hard to obtain the national rights of Albanians, with all his heart he tried to keep the Albanian territories in Yugoslavia together with Albania. When Yugoslavia took over the territories the family was persecuted and my father poisoned.'<<<<<

This is historical nonsense. Yugoslavia (i.e. Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes) was created in 1919., after WWI. Present day Kosovo and Metohija and Makedonija were part of Serbia since the dissolution of the Ottoman rule in the Balkans (Balkan Wars). For historically challenged, Balkan wars were BEFORE WWI.

"When Yugoslavia took over the territories the family was persecuted and my father poisoned." is complete fabrication.

But having in mind Albanian propensity for blattant historical lies (e.g. Ilyrian origin, Alexander the Great being an Albanian and other fantastic tales) this is merely a glitch in the script :-)

There is a rabid Anti-Serb who can be consulted on Mother Theresa. He can not be accued of favorism. His name is Christopher Hitchens.

71 posted on 03/31/2006 4:33:13 AM PST by DTA
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To: DTA

OK, as usual the Serbs did no wrong. Mother Teresa and her brother lied. Whatever.


72 posted on 03/31/2006 4:03:12 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; ...

I wonder if your beloved Muhammedans will tear down the statute to this kindly nun?


73 posted on 03/31/2006 4:55:45 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
The objection to Mother Theresa is a mystery. Mother Theresa accomplished more good in 5 seconds of her life than the accumulated "deeds" of Muslims throughout recorded history.

Perhaps, it is the fact that her deeds leave the vast majority of the rest of us wanting in our contributions in life.

74 posted on 03/31/2006 5:04:29 PM PST by Thumper1960 (The enemy within: Demoncrats and DSA.ORG Sedition is a Liberal "family value".)
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The objection to Mother Theresa is a mystery.

I can think of several reasons the Muhammedans would object.

1. She was an avowed Christian.

2. She was not a Muhammedan.

3. Remember those statues of Buddha?

75 posted on 03/31/2006 5:07:08 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: mark502inf; Lion in Winter
There are Bosnians and Macedonians and Albanians fighting alongside the Americans against the Islamist terrorists. No Serbs, though.

marky-boy, if you weren't falling all over yourself trying to make all Serbs look bad, you'd have realized that some of the Bosnians are Serbs! LOL! What a fool! That fact was posted here months ago.

76 posted on 03/31/2006 5:10:21 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite

Those pancakes ready yet, boy?


77 posted on 03/31/2006 5:11:04 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
Sounds like the objections a Demoncrat or CAIR sycophant would raise.

Come to think of it, she also wasn't a pedophile or a bloodthirsty, destruction crazed murderer. Unlike the fruit of the Islamic cult.

78 posted on 03/31/2006 5:15:23 PM PST by Thumper1960 (The enemy within: Demoncrats and DSA.ORG Sedition is a Liberal "family value".)
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To: mark502inf
So you got romped on, again, about historical accuracy. How embarrassing for you.
79 posted on 04/01/2006 4:01:37 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: mark502inf
"The Albanians are on the American side, Lion. Whose side are you on?"

Uh huh, how about side of fries with that whopper.

80 posted on 04/01/2006 4:05:06 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython
Me: "The Albanians are on the American side"

Monty: "Uh huh, how about side of fries with that whopper."

The 6th Albanian contingent of troops is in Iraq:

"Our Prime Minister was here two months ago and he said Albania will be in Iraq the same amount of time as the U.S. forces," Sokoli said. "The Albanian Soldiers are proud to fight terrorism here and to fight the global war on terrorism."

In 2004, Sgt. Elton Abazllari, now the company advisor, was deployed to Iraq, working with U.S. Special Forces. He was wounded in his right leg by an Improvised Explosive Device. He said the situation in Mosul has greatly improved in the past year.

"Now-a-days, things are changing for the better," Sokoli said. "Three years ago, it was the worst situation, and now it’s better because the local government is taking control and responsibility and fighting terrorism, and the coalition is supporting them."

Sokoli’s Albanian Kommandos will be leaving Iraq in mid-April to be replaced by the Kommandos 2nd Battalion.

"I think now terrorism is the worst sickness and all democratic countries need to put together all their forces to fight the terrorists," Sokoli said.

81 posted on 04/03/2006 5:18:57 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
LOL!!! Yeah ok, pimp, where be yo KLA beeyatches at? Yes the great Albanian allies in their strive for Greater Albania!

You're a goof.

82 posted on 04/04/2006 7:01:26 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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Well, monty, the fact is that the Albanians have been and still are our allies in the War on Terror. They have troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Bosnia plus have supported us diplomatically.

Meanwhile, your beloved Milosevic was sucking up oil for food dollars from Saddam and the Serbs continued to supply weapons to Saddam Hussein right up through 2002.

83 posted on 04/04/2006 4:12:35 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: MadIvan

Conscience Before Deadlines



By Stephen Schwartz
08 May 2006
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=050806D


Shkodra, Albania -- Does the mainstream media (MSM) incite the clash of civilizations (COC) between the Judeo-Christian world and Islam? At times, it seems so.


A recent example involves the small country of Albania, which is mysterious to most foreigners. I have published much on the history of mutual interfaith respect among Albanians, who are 70 percent Muslim (mainly Sunnis, but with at least a third comprising Europe's only indigenous Shias). The institution I have founded, the Center for Islamic Pluralism (CIP), seeks to promote the common interest of all monotheistic believers. I have published several articles and comments defending the rights of Greek Orthodox believers in Turkey, the sanctity of synagogues in Gaza, and other issues involving non-Muslims.


Some argue that CIP's efforts to oppose Muslim radicals when they attack other religions are meaningless, because according to such instant experts, nobody in the Muslim world listens to me or to CIP. While I do not intend this commentary as mere self-promotion, since CIP was founded last year, I have met repeatedly with Islamic clerics in the Balkans and Southeast Asia, and, as in the past, with dissident Saudis -- and I sincerely believe our work has a positive effect.


But let me not stray too far from what brought me to Albania. The April 2006 issue of First Things, an American Christian magazine of considerable influence, printed an article of mine calling on the Vatican to do more to help Albanian Catholics preserve their cultural heritage -- not in the face of Muslim aggression, but against the remnants of Communist corruption in politics and legal standards


The article called forth a generous comment from the editor of First Things, Jody Bottum, who also, however, mentioned news reports of Muslim-Catholic conflict in the northern Albanian city of Shkodra, in which Catholics were historically a majority and now make up half the population. Many Catholics have left Shkodra for other Albanian cities where economic opportunities are better. As a Catholic and anti-Communist redoubt, Shkodra continues to suffer, in its social development, from the discrimination imposed on it by decades of Marxist terror. My article, Mr. Bottum's comments, and links to the news stories about Muslim-Catholic tensions may be read here.


Given the seriousness of the matter, and the unfortunate fact that I have been repeatedly and vehemently accused of hiding the bad face of Islam, I took an opportunity -- an invitation to Britain for an event cosponsored by the Organization for the Islamic Conference (OIC), the Saudi-based international body of 57 Muslim-majority states, including the Palestinian Authority -- and have spent a week in Albania, investigating the situation for myself. (I have the further pleasure of announcing that my book The Two Faces of Islam has come out in Albanian, and used the occasion for a launch and interviews regarding it.)


As noted in Mr. Bottum's comments, the alleged conflict in Shkodra involved a bust of Mother Teresa, who is considered a national hero among Albanians. A small group of Muslims in Shkodra protested the erection of an official monument to her, as it might thus appear that the city belonged only to Catholics. It may be observed that the most aggravated reportage on this controversy came from Reuters news service, which has been widely criticized for its politicization. Reuters is infamous for referring to Arabs who commit acts of brutal violence as "militants" rather than terrorists. As usual for the MSM, some crucial comments in the Reuters reportage were solicited in bars and on the street, which may be appropriate when dealing with fires or traffic jams, but is inappropriate for journalism regarding conflicts that may result in bloodshed. But a contrasting report from Associated Press quoted Selim Muca, the leading Muslim cleric in the country, who said, "We respect the contribution of the distinguished figures of our nation, like that of Mother Teresa, who is the honor of our nation."


In Albania, Mother Teresa is omnipresent; the airport at the capital, Tirana, has been renamed for her. In Shkodra, Catholic monuments are commonplace. The style of hijab or "Islamic" covering by women often seen in Kosovo -- older women, that is, in long grey overcoats with headscarves -- is absent here; more on that below. Nearly everyone I met assured me that while there had been a brief dust-up involving some Muslim complaints about the Mother Teresa bust, nothing serious had occurred or was expected to take place. Nevertheless, a local Muslim intellectual told me the uproar reflected the desire of Muslims to make clear they, as well as Catholics, are part of the local scene, and have been so for centuries.


In a visit to a place sacred to every friend of Albanians -- the Franciscan Library of Shkodra, which was destroyed and pillaged under Communism -- I interviewed an avid young man in the brown cloth of the order. Our talk followed an afternoon mass crowded with children and adults, including men -- the latter rare in "Catholic" Spain or Italy. I had earlier heard the church bells, and as we spoke, I listened to the adhan or Muslim call to prayer, from a large mosque nearby -- the Balkan experience par excellence. An Orthodox Christian church stands only a block or two away, although the Orthodox have never had a large presence in the town.


The young Franciscan described to me how Catholics and Muslims in Shkodra, as they have for generations, join together for the holidays of each faith, and how priests in training visit mosques. And he showed me a wondrous thing: Qur'an, the sacred book of Islam, translated and printed in Albanian by Catholics early in the 20th century. They wanted to advance the literacy of all Albanians, so the Catholics printed Qur'an!


The next day I went to Tirana, where I met with a leading Sufi, shaykh Ali Pazari of the Halveti order of Islamic spirituality. The shaykh told me an equally remarkable story: in the 1920s, in poor, isolated, exotic Albania, his grandfather, who was also a leading mystic, was called the "Catholic Sufi" because he called on women to take off their hijab and go to school! Shaykh Ali repeated something I have heard from many Albanians -- that religious leaders must put the national interest first, ahead of religious issues. And he underscored that Sufism, like Catholicism, had its strongest historic roots in Shkodra.


So why should random comments in Shkodra, a town most people in the leading countries never heard of, have elicited the interest of the MSM? Rumors of an interreligious battle in a distant corner of the globe came after the scandal of the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, the global outcry over persecution of a Christian convert in Afghanistan, and similar "big stories" that present Islam in the worst possible light, as well as consistent propagandist "journalism" about Iraq -- ignoring the Saudi role in the violence there, and presenting bloodthirsty terrorists as "insurgents." These offerings by the MSM typically embody misinformation if not disinformation -- Islam does NOT ban the depiction of the Prophet, and Islam lacks a body of consistent practice regarding changes and fusions between religions, as I recently noted in TCS Daily. I have repeatedly pointed out, here and elsewhere, that Iraqis themselves do not view the killers of the innocent in Iraq as a "resistance," but as Saudi-financed Sunni aggression.


Could it be that the cynical principle, "if it bleeds it leads," and a desire to make the global situation worse -- since efforts toward its betterment would presumably conflict with the supposed "objectivity" of the MSM -- have made journalists more complicit than any government in the worldwide nightmare we all face? I am a journalist, and do not want to believe this. I have argued that reporters are "first responders" and cannot be expected to understand the nuances of Islam. But I increasingly feel I am wrong about that, because I am also a Muslim, and an American, and I want to prevent the clash of civilizations, not stand aside as more people fight and die. Nobody accepted such neutral conduct by journalists in the late 1930s, facing the challenge of fascism; nobody should accept it in the context of a planetary struggle against Islamofascism or its mirror-image, Islamophobia.


Jews say: before there is Torah, there is bread. That is, before prayer comes work to survive. But an ethical person does not justify lies by the need to earn bread. Before deadlines, there is, or must be, conscience.


Stephen Schwartz is a TCS contributing writer and co-founder for the Center of Islamic Pluralism.


84 posted on 05/17/2006 6:11:42 AM PDT by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: MadIvan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; pax_et_bonum; Alkhin; agrace; EggsAckley; dinasour

Not that it willl make a bit of difference to some of you.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1747097

Mother Teresa Statue Creates Friction
Planned Statue of Mother Teresa in Albania Causes Friction in Muslim Community
By LLAZAR SEMINI
The Associated Press
TIRANA, Albania - Albania's largest Muslim group said Monday that placing a bust of Mother Teresa in a northern city would not damage religious harmony, rejecting claims from smaller Muslim associations.

The Culture Ministry's proposal to put a statue at the entrance to Shkodra, 70 miles north of the capital, Tirana, was opposed the day before by three small Muslim associations.


Selim Muca, head of the Albanian Muslim Community, the organization representing all Muslims in Albania, said those objections were not the community's official position.


"We respect the contribution of the distinguished figures of our nation, like that of Mother Teresa, who is the honor of our nation," Muca said.


85 posted on 07/01/2006 1:00:45 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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