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to say that God can't do that which is logically impossible to do is no limitation on His power.

Of course it is, once you say "can't" there is a big stumbling block. Logically, you have placed a limitation on His power.

False. To ask whether that which is logically impossible to do could be done is simply to to talk nonsense ... and nonsense doesn't become sense because you talk it about God. (Luckily, God forgives those who are genuinely incapable of understanding this point.)

[RS]

"So it is okay to kill them and let them get a free pass to heaven?"

First off - you would go to hell, second, aren't we all BORN into sin ( original sin ), so we have a need to be "saved" ?
Unless we've redefind just what "born" means these days also ...

[RS]

"To ask whether that which is logically impossible to do could be done is simply to to talk nonsense ... "

Absurd - To define a being of limitless power, then to assign a limit known as "logic" is foolishness.

Is man so arrogant that when he defines something as a logical impossibility, then it simply MUST be so ?

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To define a being of limitless power, then to assign a limit known as "logic" is foolishness.

The opposite is true; talking of a being that can do the logically impossible is foolishness.

[RS]

"The opposite is true; talking of a being that can do the logically impossible is foolishness."

LOL - a simple denial while avoiding my second point -

Just why is you think that not only you can decide that your concept of "logical impossibility" would be a limitation to an all-powerfull God, but that what you consider a " logical impossibility " in a human sense would apply at all ?

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Just why is you think that not only you can decide that your concept of "logical impossibility" would be a limitation to an all-powerfull God,

Because sensible adults understand that "all-powerful" does not, because it cannot, include the power to do that which is logically impossible.

but that what you consider a " logical impossibility " in a human sense would apply at all ?

I expect that some of the things we perceive as logical impossibilities really aren't ... but I strongly doubt that ALL of them aren't.

[RS]

"Because sensible adults understand that "all-powerful" does not, because it cannot, include the power to do that which is logically impossible."

You have simply made a definition that fits your own belief - not something any sensible adult would do.

"I expect that some of the things we perceive as logical impossibilities really aren't ... but I strongly doubt that ALL of them aren't."

Again, you have simply restated a belief that you are correct ... mostly.

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Because sensible adults understand that "all-powerful" does not, because it cannot, include the power to do that which is logically impossible.

You have simply made a definition that fits your own belief

No, I've stated a definition that fits basic rationality.

I expect that some of the things we perceive as logical impossibilities really aren't ... but I strongly doubt that ALL of them aren't.

Again, you have simply restated a belief that you are correct ... mostly.

LOL! Yes, because logic is my own personal invention.

[RS]

"No, I've stated a definition that fits basic rationality."

Interesting ... So the concept of an all-powerfull God creating everything from nothing fits your definition of basic rationality ?

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So the concept of an all-powerfull God creating everything from nothing fits your definition of basic rationality ?

Absolutely ... it's as rational an explanation for the Big Bang as any other that's been proposed.

[RS]

"Absolutely ... it's as rational an explanation for the Big Bang as any other that's been proposed."

Your logic fails you - rationality is not based on a comparison with other explanations that may or may not be rational themselves.

Would you also claim that it was rational because it is "as rational as" this African Creation story ? -

Boshongo
(Bantu tribe of Central Africa) In the beginning there was only darkness, water, and the great god Bumba. One day Bumba, in pain from a stomachache, vomited up the sun. The sun dried up some of the water, leaving land. Still in pain, Bumba vomited up the moon, the stars, and then some animals: the leopard, the crocodile, the turtle, and, finally, some men, one of whom, Yoko Lima was white like Bumba.

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rationality is not based on a comparison with other explanations that may or may not be rational themselves.

True ... but we know the Big Bang happened, so it's not unreasonable for me to prefer an explanation that's no less rational than any other.

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Why the hell is our Republican-controlled federal government still funding this monstrous organization?

Adjustment;

Why the hell is our Republican-controlled federal government WE THE PEOPLE still funding this monstrous organization?

[RS]

"... but we know the Big Bang happened"

so the most rational explanation for a Big Bang is an all powerfull being ?

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... but we know the Big Bang happened, [TEXT DELETED BY RS:] so it's not unreasonable for me to prefer an explanation that's no less rational than any other.

so the most rational explanation for a Big Bang is an all powerfull being ?

Putting words in my mouth, and deleting the words that directly contradict your fabrications, I see. Run along, now, sonny.

[RS]

Excuse me ?

You make a statement "but we know the Big Bang happened "

and use that statement, which I have to assume you believe is true, in an attempt to explain your earlier rationalizations.

Are you telling me now that you DON'T believe that statement is correct ?

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You make a statement "but we know the Big Bang happened "

And went on to say more, which you deleted before putting different words in my mouth.

and use that statement, which I have to assume you believe is true, in an attempt to explain your earlier rationalizations.

My ENTIRE statement was in explanation of my previous posts.

Are you telling me now that you DON'T believe that statement is correct ?

I believe everything I post.

[RS]

I put NO words in your mouth - I asked a question that was a rational, logical ( I know how much you love those words ) extension of your statements.


You seem to have brought the "Big Bang" subject into this conversation without clearly explaning just why.

My question - " so the most rational explanation for a Big Bang is an all powerfull being ? " was an attempt to figure out just what it is you are talking about and how it applies.

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I put NO words in your mouth

Yes you did ... you deleted my words "it's not unreasonable for me to prefer an explanation that's no less rational than any other" and said "so the most rational explanation for a Big Bang is an all powerfull being ?" (emphasis added)

You seem to have brought the "Big Bang" subject into this conversation without clearly explaning just why.

YOU raised the subject of "an all-powerfull God creating everything from nothing;" are you ignorant of the fact that the Big Bang was the beginning of everything?

[RS]

Yes you did ... you deleted my words "it's not unreasonable for me to prefer an explanation that's no less rational than any other" and said "so the most rational explanation for a Big Bang is an all powerfull being ?" (emphasis added)

Thanks for illustrating my point... deleting your words is NOT putting different ones in your mouth, and my question was MY question.

"are you ignorant of the fact that the Big Bang was the beginning of everything?"

The Big Bang has graduated from theory to fact ?

There's a theory that God created everything 5 minutes ago, and no way to prove it's not valid.