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Rejecting Modern Materialism: The Rise of the Crunchy-Conservatives
Catholic Exchange ^ | March 31, 2006 | Pete Vere JCL

Posted on 03/31/2006 7:39:09 AM PST by NYer

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To: B-Chan
There is a difference between believing government should regulate or subsidize particular family types and believing them to be morally superior, just as there is a difference between believing that government should implement laws based upon morality as opposed to from a predisposition against government growth. Preferring social shunning over imprisoning is not the same thing as big business liberalism. It's expressing a sensible preference that government stay small in all ways, for fear that the actual liberals will control it. Obviously, many social conservatives have missed the crucial lesson that they should have learned after the last century's PC and Civil Rights Act debacles.

If it's morally wrong and you think that as a result the law should stop it, society changes, and eventually, the people who are morally wrong will eventually turn that abuse of power back on you or your children after they gain power. SEE segregation/affirmative action, sodomy/gay "tolerance" regs, tariff barriers/"free trade." SEE ALSO affirmative action/racism, gay "tolerance" regs/gay bashing, "free trade"/xenonausea.

The best way to stop moral perversity is to shun it or protest it freely. Banning it both makes the banned act "subversive" and thus attractive to rebellious youth, and perverts the law to use for ends not suited to one who prefers a limited government.

61 posted on 03/31/2006 9:13:46 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Clemenza; Do not dub me shapka broham; rmlew

ping


62 posted on 03/31/2006 9:59:01 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Well, I may have a largely vegetarian diet, and I do like to go hiking, but I remain a greedy capitalist pig. Therefore, this description does not suit me.


63 posted on 03/31/2006 10:00:37 PM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul
It's funny.

I wasn't planning on buying that book-even though Kate O'Beirne is one of my favorite contributors/editors at National Review-until the left wing slime machine decided to wage a concerted jihad against her, which turned out to be yet another tactical mistake of the type we've come to expect from the geniuses that think Howard Dean is a political visionary.

64 posted on 03/31/2006 10:07:04 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: NYer

The "crunchy conservatives" would have a far greater chance of success had they moved north to Canada. That country's political heritage would have allowed a more authority-based conservatism to prosper (Toryism). They did have Red Toryism in their history, mind you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Tory


65 posted on 04/01/2006 1:29:39 AM PST by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: Domestic Church

"Yep and the crunchy stuff all goes back to church teachings on subsidiarity and how it relates to family and community."

Exactly. And no free crunch :^)


66 posted on 04/01/2006 5:22:20 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Munchy.)
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To: NYer
Faith and family should indeed take precedence over unrestrained capitalism. On the other hand, there is that reference to paleo"conservatism." The foreign policy (if we may call it such" of the paleo"conservatives" is the pantywaist foreign policy permanently discredited by the late British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and his infamous and utterly naive idea of "Peace in our time" which he expected to result from handing the Sudetenland to Hitler.

Other than that potential problem, Dreher was a terrific writer for the New York Post and the rest of what is expressed in the article makes it likely that the book should be read by textured conservatives determined to preserve and expand Western Civilization. Getting one's kids out of the maw of the gummint skewels to be homeschooled by parents who love them and will impart wisdom, substantial knowledge unavailable at gummint skewels, and a fighting spirit is a BIG strategy which will guarantee future leadership to family, Church, nation and civilization. Let's help Dreher make it reality.

67 posted on 04/01/2006 7:00:40 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If it were not for baseball, football, C-SPAN (to keep an eye on the enemy) and Fox News, the television could evaporate too!


68 posted on 04/01/2006 7:12:41 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: wagglebee

I don't know if you saw this. I just read it and I like it. I loathe Berkenstocks though.


69 posted on 04/01/2006 7:27:00 AM PST by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: Pyro7480
LOL.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

It's funny, because on another forum someone invoked the Taliban to denounce another user who was not in favor of mandatory condom distribution in public schools.

70 posted on 04/01/2006 7:27:26 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: rob777

The problem with your viewpoint is that currently, in many respects, gov't (both state and fedgov) are merely servants of large corporate interests and laws and passed merely to please their masters. So economic concerns cannot be addressed merely at the cultural level.


71 posted on 04/01/2006 7:31:04 AM PST by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: rob777

Separation of Corporation and State!


72 posted on 04/01/2006 7:31:32 AM PST by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: beckett

Here's a thought: On many threads about raunch - whether porn, seriously nasty computer games, and the like - people will say things like "let the market decide", if people don't like it they won't buy it, it's legal, and so on.

This proves that letting the market decide in all matters is to slide off into the abyss. I've said more than once that capitalism without being informed by morality winds up little better than communism. DIfferent, but little better. Inevitably conflict arises between the rights of corporations to make money how they choose, and the rights of people to not have to live in a sewer.


73 posted on 04/01/2006 7:37:03 AM PST by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: NYer

PREACH IT BRO!

FAR, FAR, FAR TOO TRUE.

Not sure how far it will get before the various end times conflagrations but great to see the rise of such perceptiveness.

Have long wondered what The Millenium culture, life would look like . . . and speculated that it would be a lot more in line with this sort of focus than anything else I've read.

Have even wondered if God was going to reduce technology back to a very aggrarian sort of life . . . if not hunter/gatherer . . . in part, forcing a more relational based culture.

If we'd followed The Manual, we could have had the best of all worlds . . . but no, man knew better than even God . . . or thought he did.

So, the GREAT OBJECT LESSON for all creation looms ahead.


74 posted on 04/01/2006 7:46:21 AM PST by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: NYer

Say it now and say it loud.
I'm a Crunchy Con and I'm proud.

(Call me anything except late for dinner.)


75 posted on 04/01/2006 9:40:42 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: Zechariah_8_13
Hey Bruck -- we have a new "title". ;)

Very good. But how exactly are we "crunchy?" Sounds too close to "brittle" for me.

76 posted on 04/01/2006 5:15:07 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck (And then we was beat up by a bible salesman and banished from Woolworth's.)
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To: little jeremiah
The problem with your viewpoint is that currently, in many respects, gov't (both state and fedgov) are merely servants of large corporate interests and laws and passed merely to please their masters. So economic concerns cannot be addressed merely at the cultural level.





That is exactly why government should be limited in its role to protecting our rights. I do not want to see either pro or anti corporate laws.
77 posted on 04/03/2006 11:07:57 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777

IOW, as in the actual Constitution.


78 posted on 04/03/2006 2:10:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: little jeremiah

Exactly.


79 posted on 04/04/2006 8:02:37 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777

You should run for office. I'll vote for you!


80 posted on 04/04/2006 8:29:41 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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