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To: JTN

Disappointed to hear that John Roberts failed this very simple test of conservative values.


4 posted on 03/31/2006 12:13:26 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Redbob

Its sad to say, but a lot of so-called conservatives fail to see the need for privacy protection. Should it surprise us that the chief justice doesn't observe it either?


5 posted on 03/31/2006 12:19:34 PM PST by stacytec (Nihilism, its whats for dinner)
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To: Redbob

Would you feel the same if it had been the man inviting the police in and the woman denying entry? Come on now and be honest. Or do you still think the man owns the house and the little wife is just another one of his possessions? Just curious.


14 posted on 03/31/2006 2:02:08 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Redbob
Disappointed to hear that John Roberts failed this very simple test of conservative values.

Scalia and Thomas also dissented. Perhaps a more in-depth look at the case is in order before passing judgement on anyone's conservative values.

21 posted on 03/31/2006 2:52:42 PM PST by jla
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To: Redbob; freepatriot32

There is a reason this was a 5-3 opinion.

This ruling is a nightmare.

I am a libertarian. I believe the SCOTUS has bent far too directly to an authoritarian vision of the Constitution.

However, this is an opinion that will make it difficult for police to know when to bother with real crimes. It will cause nothing but more litigation. That is not the purpose of law, to decide on each situation as it occurs. The ideal law is a brightline rule society must follow, and those rules strictly enforced would present little or no discretion to police intent on harassment. However, here Souter says:

"W]here the defendant has victimized the third-party . . . the emergency nature of the situation is suchthat the third-party consent should validate a warrantless search despite defendant’s objections” (internal quotation marks omitted; third omission in original)). The undoubted
right of the police to enter in order to protect a victim, however, has nothing to do with the question in this case, whether a search with the consent of one cotenant
is good against another, standing at the door and expressly refusing consent."

Basically, he admits that in a domestic violence situation where there is disagreement over the search, the police may enter...but not in THIS domestic violence situation where there is disagreement over the search. In most situations where the police may confront domestic violence there are back-door ways around the search requirement--but not THIS situation. Breyer notes in his concurring opinion that "the Fourth Amendment does not insist upon bright-line rules."

But that is horseshit. Police work is based upon knowing the rules, and here, the court did not pick a rule at all. It is simply continuing the O'Connor reign of terror, now in the criminal law context. Any lawyer reading this knows damn well it'll create no certainty, just more lawyering, and that is why EVERY SINGLE LIBERAL on the court was for this opinion. It is an ABA dream opinion.

I don't agree with Roberts or Thomas 100%, but Roberts is dead-bang right in saying that:

"The rule the majority fashions does not implement the high office of the Fourth Amendment to protect privacy, but instead provides protection on a random and happenstance basis, protecting, for example, a co-occupant who happens to be at the front door when the other occupant consents to a search, but not one napping or watching television in the next room."

What does this mean for school lockers and drugs? What about all the other non-exceptions the same liberals have voted AGAINST? This is a nightmare, and again, the only people who should be happy with it are lawyers.


31 posted on 03/31/2006 10:26:23 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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