Policy, security & illegals

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | April 2, 2006 | Salena Zito

[serendepitylives]

Policy, security & illegals By Salena Zito TRIBUNE-REVIEW Sunday, April 2, 2006

Brace yourselves, folks.

The single most defining domestic issue for the midterm elections and beyond -- immigration reform -- is up for political debate and it won't be pretty.

Left in the cold is the average American, who just wants to know the doors to his country are locked when he goes to bed.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Guest workers, yes, home invasion, no.

[Flyer]

I'm just curious. . .

If we need the illegal immigrant so bad to do those low skill, low paying jobs. . . . do we intend to keep generations of them stupid so they will keep doing those jobs?

Are they going to be happy seeing their children grow up and fill the same low paying jobs? Do we assume they have no goals of a better life for their children?

Or do we just keep importing a few million third world unskilled, uneducated workers every damn year?

[Dane]

If we need the illegal immigrant so bad to do those low skill, low paying jobs. . . . do we intend to keep generations of them stupid so they will keep doing those jobs?

Are they going to be happy seeing their children grow up and fill the same low paying jobs? Do we assume they have no goals of a better life for their children?

Well that has always been the way of America. The Irish, Jews, Italians, Polish etc.etc all came and filled the menial jobs and hoped for a better life for their children. It's American history.

[Flyer]

The Irish, Jews, Italians, Polish etc.etc all came and filled the menial jobs and hoped for a better life for their children. It's American history.

So, do we just keep importing a few million third world unskilled, uneducated workers every damn year?

[Dane]

So, do we just keep importing a few million third world unskilled, uneducated workers every damn year?

Well with 7,500 GM workers getting paid just to watch television and sit around all day. I'd say yes(as guest workers, not citizens).

BTW, how come you aren't applying for a vegetable picker or janitorial job, also I do not know if you have children, but if you do, would you want them to have a career in vegetable picking or as a janitor or would you expect them to have another career.

[Flyer]

BTW, how come you aren't applying for a vegetable picker or janitorial job

Over the years I have washed dishes, laid floors, repaired roofs, been a machine shop porter, worked an assembly line, pumped gas and busted tires. . .

A better solution to importing workers constantly is to revamp our culture and bring back a better work ethic.

[Mojave]

Over the years I have washed dishes, laid floors, repaired roofs, been a machine shop porter, worked an assembly line, pumped gas and busted tires. . .

How dare you! Those jobs belong to illegal aliens.

/sarcasm

[DumpsterDiver]

So, do we just keep importing a few million third world unskilled, uneducated workers every damn year?

It's either that or put a gun to someone's head and force them to do those jobs. Rather than forced employment, some people perfer a more humane solution to the labor shortage. Out of the goodness of their hearts they propose allowing more peasants to come here... as long as those peasants know their place, of course.

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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/zito/s_438826.html

[HiJinx]

Check the link, this is a good editorial...the author presents more than one point of view and lets the reader decide.

[dalereed]

"It's either that or put a gun to someone's head and force them to do those jobs."

No force needed, just cut off welfare and everything connected with it and they either work or die!

I could care less which they choose.

[CowboyJay]

"It's either that or put a gun to someone's head and force them to do those jobs"

Nonsense. Just pay what the jobs are actually worth. Americans will do anything (and I do mean anything) if the price is right.

[monkeywrench]

"So, do we just keep importing a few million third world unskilled, uneducated workers every damn year?"

Obviously, yes, as the pro illegal crowd don't even mention the legals that are waiting to come in. The liberals are determined to reward illegality, and stick a finger in the eye of the folks who want to do it legally. Just like they want to reward businessmen who circumvent the law by hiring illegals, killing the businesses of the guys who go by the book. Is there a pattern here?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

would you want them to have a career in vegetable picking or as a janitor or would you expect them to have another career.

Dane you still don't get it. It's not about having a "career" in these fields. The fact is that teens and college students used to do these jobs in the summer and it made them better people who appreciated hard work and sacrifice. Besides, even illegals don't want to do these jobs anymore they want to make more money in construction and such.

[television is just wrong]

we are already invaded, what are we going to do about it now.

JD Hayworth, and Tom Tancredo, the only ticket that can save us. We are headed toward a civil war...

[Dane]

Dane you still don't get it. It's not about having a "career" in these fields. The fact is that teens and college students used to do these jobs in the summer and it made them better people who appreciated hard work and sacrifice. Besides, even illegals don't want to do these jobs anymore they want to make more money in construction and such

Yes they did but due to lower birth rates, abortion, and general affluency of the avg. native born American they are not doing those jobs anymore.

What's your solution, go into high schools and make kids take those jobs at the point of a gun?

BTW, amusement parks around the country now have to recruit college students from around the globe to fill summer psoitions, even though they do massive recruiting on American college campuses.

[television is just wrong]

they come here for a better life, YOURS. Are you willing to hand it to them. They want Gringos, out and they don't care where we go, they want us gone. That means every one of us in the 50 states...

[Dane]

Nonsense. Just pay what the jobs are actually worth. Americans will do anything (and I do mean anything) if the price is right

Yeah like get paid $50,000 a year to watch TV and play vidoe games like these 7,500 GM workers.

AS General Motors tries to reduce its payroll by 30,000 jobs, the New York Times has pointed out that GM still pays as many as 7,500 workers to do nothing. This is part of a Jobs Bank experiment gone mad. In 1984, the United Auto Workers and management created the Jobs Bank as a way of keeping workers on the payroll while the company automated its production. "The argument went that if the auto companies had a pool of idled workers, they would be less likely to outsource labor overseas," wrote Jeremy Peters of the New York Times. What was supposed to be a billion-dollar program was supposed to end in 1990. A generation later, it continues. It costs GM about $9.4 million a week to pay the salaries of people in the Jobs Bank, and that does not include their health care and pension benefits. Now the bank threatens to undermine the buyouts of up to $140,000 each that GM is offering its workers. Peters visited Oklahoma City, where 2,300 employees remain on the payroll a month after GM shut down their plant. They receive full pay and benefits even though there is nothing for them to do except sit around and chat, play games, or watch TV. Garland Pruitt, 53, with 27 years of seniority, told Peters: "Why would I walk out the door with $2,000 less per month and have to go find a job when I can sit in the bank, get my 30 years and retire? It's really to my advantage to ride the bank out as long as it goes."