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The fight against evil (PROFOUND & POWERFUL - MUST READ!)
RenewAmerica.us ^ | 4/2/2006 | Fred Hutchison

Posted on 04/02/2006 6:31:47 AM PDT by Dark Skies

(EXCERPT)What is a common example of disbelief in evil? A person who calls terrorists "freedom fighters" is giving away the fact that he does not believe they are evil. If the random murder of civilians by zealous fanatics is not evil, then nothing is evil. Therefore, it is a fair deduction that many of those who do not believe the terrorists are evil also do not believe in the existence of evil.

Those who deny the existence of evil are often outraged when good men give evil a name and fight against it. This outrage sometimes prompts them to take the side of evil. Their wish to vindicate their stand that evil does not exist naturally leads them to become apologists and defenders of evil.

The term "freedom fighters" confers praise to evil. The defense of evil can be very close to the admiration of evil. Evil is seductive precisely because it is secretly admired by deeply-buried chambers of darkness in the human heart. Therefore, it is very difficult to defend evil without slipping into the veiled admiration of evil. This is why the ACLU has slipped from defending evil clients because they have constitutional rights, to having solidarity with miscreants and enthusiasm in their advocacy of evil causes.

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.us ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atheism; culture; evil; freedomfighters; islam; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; msm; secularhumanism; terrorism; wot
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1 posted on 04/02/2006 6:31:50 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies
From the article...

The dark journey downward into evil

The passage from truth to the hideous delusion that evil is admirable--and even good--is a journey through shadowy corridors and through several levels of descent into darkness. This journey into darkness typically has at least seven stages. They are like seven levels of dark basements that one descends in series.

1) The first floor down into the darkness involves denial that one is a sinner. One remains there until he erects defenses against the idea that he is a sinner. Then he can resume his downward descent. The place is dark because the defenses of denial will not allow light to intrude.

2) From the stage-one denials, the journey into darkness proceeds downwards to a second denial--the denial that evil exists. This is followed by the erection of defenses against the idea of evil.

3) Then comes the descent into the delusion that those who fight evil are themselves evil: (a) "You must be evil because you say those nice freedom fighters are evil," and (b) "You must be evil for breaking our 'speak no evil' rule. You shock our sensibilities by telling us about the disturbing things that those nice gays are doing."

4) Next comes the hatred of those who fight evil. Hatred is a crucial stage in the developmental process of evil and leads to many delusions. Without hatred, paranoid conspiracy theories and poisoned ideologies cannot come into existence.

5) The fifth floor down into darkness is to believe--or to be willing to tell the lie--that evil things are good, and good things are evil. "Woe unto them who call evil, good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." (Isaiah 5:20)

6) The sixth stage is to hate the victims of evil or to hate those whom the good guys are protecting. When professor Ward Churchill called the victims of the 9/11 terror bombings "little Eichmanns"--i.e., like Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi mass murderer--he was functioning at the sixth level of evil and hatred.

7) The seventh stage of evil is serial killing, terrorism, and genocide.


2 posted on 04/02/2006 6:35:09 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: Dark Skies
"The descent from truth to the darkened level where one calls evil good, and good evil, requires intense hatred. ... The Communist recruiters had to soften up their candidates by teaching them to hate."



3 posted on 04/02/2006 6:40:20 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Zacs Mom; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Raquel; Kelly_2000
Bingo!

When I read in the days after 9/11 that Reuters refused to use the word "Terrorists" in any of their writings about the attack, I knew we as a nation were in trouble.

If the newsmedia can't recognize evil when its on display right in front of them, then when will they?

4 posted on 04/02/2006 6:45:49 AM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: Dark Skies
Some nuggets worth pointing out from the article...

Those who trust in the power of truth feel no need to shout.

...our battle is not one of good versus evil, but of truth versus evil.

When a society denies the existence of evil, the forces of evil are given cover.

The descent from truth to the darkened level where one calls evil good, and good evil, requires intense hatred.


5 posted on 04/02/2006 6:49:40 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: Dark Skies

Good article, liked the C.S.Lewis quotes.

"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."


6 posted on 04/02/2006 6:52:37 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Dark Skies

bump for later


7 posted on 04/02/2006 6:54:01 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Zacs Mom

Quite a comparison ........... but Manson could at least play a little guitar.

;-)

8 posted on 04/02/2006 6:54:30 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune - ........ 1862)
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To: All
I'm sure we all see the correlation between the decent into evil and the democratic party.
9 posted on 04/02/2006 6:56:59 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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To: Dark Skies

Bump


10 posted on 04/02/2006 7:07:18 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: Northern Yankee; Zacs Mom; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Raquel; Kelly_2000; onyx; Petronski
When I read in the days after 9/11 that Reuters refused to use the word "Terrorists" in any of their writings about the attack, I knew we as a nation were in trouble. If the newsmedia can't recognize evil when its on display right in front of them, then when will they?

They won't ever call them terrorists .......the old media IS evil.

****

The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.

The bristly Joe McCarthy was right, David Horowitz and others are right today, and anyone who understands this Plame/Scooter/Blame/Game understands.

The REDS are here and well and out to kill this relatively young country!

11 posted on 04/02/2006 7:08:57 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune ........ 1862)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter; Forecaster; stanley windrush

A long but very worthy read...


12 posted on 04/02/2006 7:22:21 AM PDT by IncPen (Torture should be safe, legal, and rare.)
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To: beyond the sea


It's no accident that schools of journalism are far left.

Power of the pen, mightier than the sword.


13 posted on 04/02/2006 7:22:23 AM PDT by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: onyx
Power of the pen, mightier than the sword.

Yes, Mame!

Gotta get back out in the nursery. Take care of the country while I'm in the compost........

;-)

14 posted on 04/02/2006 7:26:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune ........ 1862)
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To: beyond the sea


LOL!


15 posted on 04/02/2006 7:28:15 AM PDT by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: Dark Skies

I was trolling the DU threads this morning and I couldn't help but notice that the most vitriolic seething hatred was reserved for various well-known Christian pastors. I mean, hatred is common over there but the depth of spitting, cursing vehemence hurled at Christians is overwhelming. Indeed, they have reached the point where good is evil. Not so ironically, many of the worst posters' screen names begin with "Dark". I have to take a shower now.


16 posted on 04/02/2006 7:29:13 AM PDT by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. Be without form. -Sun Tzu)
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To: Sender

Going to DU is often a descent into the pit, and you come out coated with their slime....


17 posted on 04/02/2006 7:31:00 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Dark Skies
Their wish to vindicate their stand that evil does not exist naturally leads them to become apologists and defenders of evil. And of course, The passage from truth to the hideous delusion that evil is admirable--and even good--is a journey through shadowy corridors and through several levels of descent into darkness. The current defense and even promotion in abortion of alive unborn children is the classic example of the above descent. Now, we've descended so low that conceiving and killing the conceived for their body parts is praised as good and enlightened work for medicine. And the leaders of a political party fully invested in the promotion and defense of these evil behaviors are considered heroic, champions of ultimate good, and defenders of 'the children'.
18 posted on 04/02/2006 7:37:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Dark Skies

BTTT


19 posted on 04/02/2006 7:43:58 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: MHGinTN

Revelations 9:20,21. Describes a mindset that reminds me of today.


20 posted on 04/02/2006 7:46:24 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Northern Yankee
"The Abolition of Man" by Lewis is a fairly short book and a good read. It starts off with the mundane pedagogical question of teaching texts, and how to recognize good literature. This cannot be answered without first examining the question of how you train a student emotionally, that is, how to train the emotions to support man's reason against the demands of self (desire.) As he proceeds, he expands his subject to examine the question of the deliberate attempt of modern social planners to replace existing morality with a new morality, and in doing this, to attempt a remake of the nature of society itself.

Lewis contends that these planners are wrong, that you may improve upon existing morals, but you cannot truly alter them. Modern thought rather obscures morality and direct us rather to follow our desire rather than reason, with predictable destructive consequences. The book ends with an examination of the results of this planning, and the way in which the planners will see the futility of their actions, their contempt for the subjects of their planning and their use of them without regard for happiness.

Again, this is a excellent book written by informed and intelligent man who was in a good position to see in his time and society the processes of modern social revolution destroying the best aspects of western society and thought. We, of course, see the outcomes which he forsaw.
21 posted on 04/02/2006 7:50:30 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ("The Abolition of Man" Really. Its only about 90 pages.)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

Lewis's book is an excellent 'probe' to use when seeking to determine if someone is a drivelling liberal.


22 posted on 04/02/2006 7:55:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Dark Skies; wagglebee

Looks like an excellent read.


23 posted on 04/02/2006 8:06:23 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: Dark Skies
Those who deny the existence of evil are often....

using an excuse for denying God.

24 posted on 04/02/2006 8:09:40 AM PDT by slimer (I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.)
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

This article reminds me of a recent discussion...


25 posted on 04/02/2006 8:19:24 AM PDT by TXnMA (Allah is not the Creator. Allah is Shaitan in disguise!)
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To: onyx
"Power of the pen, mightier than the sword."

It is indeed!! What is really detrimential to our nation is the fact that too many Americans fail to understand that most of what they read in our papers and see on television is the product of only a handful of giant corporations and that The War on Terror and the attacks on "religion" in America are on-going examples of the dishonest and blatantly incendiary "reporting" by agenda driven representatives of these mega-corporations' ~ reporting specifically intended to undermine national and international confidence in President Bush and his administration and to undermine the moral foundation of this "one nation under God".




Yet, under the Clinton Administration (and despite laws specifically designed to prevent it) merger after merger took place within the media industry until finally, by the end of the millennium, a handful of mega-corporations totally controlled the flow of news, information and entertainment within this country ~
this includes books, magazines, television, newspapers, movies, music, internet access, etc.,etc.  

The actual number of corporations dominating most of every mass medium dropped, under clinton's administration, from from 23 media firms to 6 mega-media corporations by the Spring of 2000!

But even this number is deceiving ~ the power and influence of these mega-conglomerates is understated by counting them as 'six.' For, in reality, these six are actually intertwined: they own stock in each other, they cooperate in joint media ventures, and among themselves they divide profits from some of the most widely viewed programs on television, cable and movies.

  As foreseen by the Supreme Court in 1945, this consolidation of power and control has been to the detriment of us all as the media role has shifted from ensuring democracy to undermining the function of true democracy

Under this condensed, goal oriented management, our nation's "Guardians Of The Peoples Right to Know" have mutated into little more than "information brokers" and "opinion shapers" who present very specific information in a manner which meets a very specific agenda.   Shielded behind the cloak of 'journalism' and without regard for truth, accuracy, or impartiality, a countless variety of sources now continually present us with carefully manufactured versions of world events. Sadly, most citizens are completely unaware that 'news' stories repeated by numerous, and seemingly 'different' sources are actually a single, unencumbered voice.

A review of the outrageously provocative "coverage" of Hurricane Katrina and NOLA serves to underscore the extent to which the "MSM" has joined forces with the radical left in an all out effort to sow hatred, spread racial fears and use this manufactured discontent to overthrow a standing president. Such a review clearly demonstrates that the media is not merely complaisant in this assault on America and the presidency of George W. Bush but that they, in fact, active participants!



The above Joseph Pulitzer quote appears on an inscribed plaque visible to all upon enter the halls of the Columbia School of Journalism.





26 posted on 04/02/2006 8:24:00 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: MHGinTN

Lewis was surrounded by these types. He was observant and had a highly developed ability for devestating literary characterization. He used it very effectively in his writings.


27 posted on 04/02/2006 8:29:50 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Dark Skies; All
Mere truth is very potent by itself, and we actually diminish the force of truth if we use words or actions that are more forceful that the circumstances require.

In the heat of an argument, I've certainly been guilty of that. I must keep this little nugget in the back of my thoughts.

28 posted on 04/02/2006 8:30:18 AM PDT by jeffc
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To: TXnMA
[ This article reminds me of a recent discussion... ]

I was not comfortable with using the word 'evil' in association with terrorism from day one.. Walk out your front door and there is evil all around you.. Might even be a little or a lot within your gates.. Words are important.. thats the wrong word I believe.. actually it diverts attention from what terrorism really is.. "mass murder".. even "selective and random murder".. mayhem and anarchy..

Democracy which is Mob Rule is rule by mobsters.. Killing terrorists to produce democracy is fraught with error.. and is cognitive dissonance.. Words are important.. Most words used to explain the current terrorism, I've heard, don't get close to what evil is.. I think more evil than terrorism is democracy.. which produces socialism, which is slavery of the people by government.. Terrorism is performed by gangs as is democracy.. Democracy vs. Terrorism is gang warfare for territory.. Little wonder the socialists of this world and terrorists are loosely united..(i.e. american democrats)..
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Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx

29 posted on 04/02/2006 8:56:08 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Dark Skies

bump for later read


30 posted on 04/02/2006 9:00:15 AM PDT by RightField
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To: Zacs Mom


My heart leaped when I spotted this post from you to me!
Answered prayers! You have to be on the mend.
You're a cherished FRiemd.

BTTT your post!


31 posted on 04/02/2006 9:04:16 AM PDT by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: hosepipe

I'm beginning to think I know who has pulled the wool over your eyes...


32 posted on 04/02/2006 9:21:22 AM PDT by TXnMA (Allah is not the Creator. Allah is Shaitan in disguise!)
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To: beyond the sea; Dark Skies; Northern Yankee; Zacs Mom; Victoria Delsoul; Raquel; Kelly_2000; ...
Those who deny the existence of evil are often outraged when good men give evil a name and fight against it. This outrage sometimes prompts them to take the side of evil. Their wish to vindicate their stand that evil does not exist naturally leads them to become apologists and defenders of evil.

The oldest trick in the book.

Obviously, it's been working on human kind since the beginning of time.

I hope for some of their sakes, these "defenders of evil" dummy up and wake up to reality. That said, I'm not confident it'll happen.

33 posted on 04/02/2006 9:22:32 AM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big".....Jerry Fletcher)
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To: kstewskis


BUMP!


34 posted on 04/02/2006 9:33:20 AM PDT by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: kstewskis

bump....... II


35 posted on 04/02/2006 9:39:18 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune ........ 1862)
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To: hosepipe
"I was not comfortable with using the word 'evil' in association with terrorism from day one"

Check out Isaiah 5:20...

36 posted on 04/02/2006 9:46:17 AM PDT by TXnMA (Allah is not the Creator. Allah is Shaitan in disguise!)
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To: onyx
Power of the pen, mightier than the sword.

Except in a swordfight.

37 posted on 04/02/2006 9:47:47 AM PDT by Max in Utah (Communism, Fascism, Islamism-- different voices, same evil.)
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To: Max in Utah


LOL! Right!


38 posted on 04/02/2006 9:48:54 AM PDT by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: TXnMA
[ I'm beginning to think I know who has pulled the wool over your eyes... ]

If I'm a sheep my eyebrows already are wool.. If I'm a goat.. well goats are hairy too..

39 posted on 04/02/2006 10:02:57 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: TXnMA

I was not comfortable with the use of the words "national tragedy" from day one. 9-11 was a disaster - a man-made disaster as opposed to Hurricane Katrina's (which was worse). A natural disaster is nobody's fault. An UNNATURAL DISASTER is what 911 should have been called. The whole idea of folding FEMA under the "department of homeland security" is an admission that "homeland security" is involved in the prevention of both natural and unnatural disasters.

911 was an unnatural disaster because radical islam is an unnatural act. Unnatural is defined in this context as originating from the supernatural - in the case of 911 - from the devil in man, or "evil".


40 posted on 04/02/2006 10:03:11 AM PDT by H.Akston (It's all about property rights)
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To: onyx
I'm hoping I'm on the mend but I won't know whats going on until sometime later this week ~ I've got a major test set for Wednesday and then a review of the results on Thursday. I'm still so darned weak it is frustrating but I can manage a bit more each day (I think) ~

I am looking forward to getting past this testing stage and moving on with treatment (whatever that maybe) ~ I'd love to be able to do at least some of the little things around here, like vacuuming. lol

I think the spring-cleaning bug is nibbling at me and making me itch to get busy!

(((((((((thanks for the continued prayers))))))))))
41 posted on 04/02/2006 10:08:28 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Zacs Mom

You have my continued prayers.

I'm telling you, I was thrilled to see your post!
Spring has sprung here, but I am not motivated to do ANY cleaning.


42 posted on 04/02/2006 10:11:26 AM PDT by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; marron; Right Wing Professor
Evil is essentially narcissistic. It serves no higher causes. It appropriates higher causes, like Islamic devotion to Allah, to serve its own narcissistic ends of hatred and revenge. Those energized by evil will always be able to find the grist for their conspiracy theories and propaganda mills to keep their programs of hate in operation....

It is astonishingly naive to suppose that the anti-American hate-machine will close down if we are nicer to jihadists. This would be like telling Jews in Nazi Germany that it was their own fault they were on their way to the gas chambers because they were not nice enough to the Nazis. The Nazis took the Jews who were nice to them and put them in charge of torturing the other Jews--so that pure German hands were not soiled with the filth of Jewish untouchables….

Evil exists, boys and girls, and it is not reasonable. It cannot be bargained away, placated, appeased, or persuaded. It will keep on coming until someone has the moral courage to stand against it….

The fastest way to breed a monster is to tell a child that evil does not exist, and then to tell the child that he is an angel. The self-esteem movement of the 1970's and 1980's did more to inculcate the denial of evil than any other movement of the recent past. It bred a culture of narcissism and denial that is the breeding ground of evil….

Most men of great evil have both an inflated sense of pride and an impenetrable denial of evil….

How are narcissism and denial interrelated? Well, inordinate self-love, self-absorption, and pride are delusional. One cannot sustain a delusion without denial. As the delusions of pride are inflated, higher and higher walls of defense and denial must be constructed. Of course, the more absurd one's illusions, the easier they are to puncture with reality. Vulnerable illusions must be sheltered behind thick walls.

Wonderful essay, TXnMA! I especially appreciate the discussion of C.S. Lewis’ “men with chests,” and his insistence that education above all is about training in virtue. These “ancient ideas” are little appreciated in our own culture today, seemingly for the reason that we no longer take the problem of evil seriously. Increasingly we live in a “headless world” in which reason itself has become “unreasonable.” It should little surprise us that our culture is increasingly narcissistic and given over to sensuality -- not to mention the construction of quite monstrous second realities to which society's children are actively being recruited as we speak. (e.g., the "gay lifestyle" [an oxymoron if ever I heard one], the doctrine of Jihad, etc., etc.)

Thanks so much for the ping, TXnMA. The article deserves further reflection.

43 posted on 04/02/2006 10:25:58 AM PDT by betty boop (The world of Appearance is Reality’s cloak -- "Nature loves to hide.")
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To: FBD

bump and bookmark

"...It is astonishingly naive to suppose that the anti-American hate-machine will close down if we are nicer to jihadists. This would be like telling Jews in Nazi Germany that it was their own fault they were on their way to the gas chambers because they were not nice enough to the Nazis. The Nazis took the Jews who were nice to them and put them in charge of torturing the other Jews--so that pure German hands were not soiled with the filth of Jewish untouchables.

Evil exists, boys and girls, and it is not reasonable. It cannot be bargained away, placated, appeased, or persuaded. It will keep on coming until someone has the moral courage to stand against it."


44 posted on 04/02/2006 11:35:03 AM PDT by FBD (surf's up!)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts; Dark Skies

It seems very obvious - even their "culture of corruption" fits right in line with this article.

Just yesterday, Pelosi was defending McKinney's actions as "no big deal".

Thanks for posting this article Dark Skies, it's very enlightening.


45 posted on 04/02/2006 12:20:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Democrats/Old Media: "controversy, crap and confusion" -- Amen!)
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To: CyberAnt

Glad you liked! I thought it was a great find.


46 posted on 04/02/2006 12:38:02 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: Dark Skies; hosepipe

Excellent article.

I started copying and pasting some especially good text fragments, but there were too many.

Some of my absolute favorites are in post 5.

I checked the reference in post 36 and it's hard to put down!

Those who think religion and intellect are at odds could learn otherwise by reading this article. Unfortunately many of our better minds have been led astray. But they may yet return to a path that is straight and true.

Thanks for posting the article!


47 posted on 04/02/2006 12:47:35 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: Only good for to taking side(s))
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To: Northern Yankee
When I read in the days after 9/11 that Reuters refused to use the word "Terrorists" in any of their writings about the attack, I knew we as a nation were in trouble.

Good point.

"Those who deny the existence of evil are often outraged when good men give evil a name and fight against it."

The reaction to speeches referring to evil come to mind:
Ronald Reagan referring to the Soviet Union under communism as the "Evil Empire"
George W. Bush's identification of the "Axis of Evil"
48 posted on 04/02/2006 1:56:35 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: Only good for to taking side(s))
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To: Sender

In the coming war in our country you know who the DUmmycrats will side with. Many of these same posters at DU with names like "Dark this" and "Dark that" will be persuaded to put on suicide vests or join the "reconquistas". Vermin does what vermin is.


49 posted on 04/02/2006 3:17:49 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: hosepipe
Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx
Which is why the Founders were against establishing a democracy. The word they used for "socialism" was "democracy" because they had seen in ancient Greece and Rome how factions could use the power of the people's votes to transfer wealth from one group to another. They could thereby keep themselves in power by voting more largesse to their constituents. Sounds very much like today, which is why the present system will eventually collapse because of high taxation and accumulated debt.
50 posted on 04/02/2006 3:24:29 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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