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Calm Down.

The number 1 item in the President's proposal is Border Security. Almost all of the rest of BOTH the House and Senate bills can be tossed out because Border Security will take care of EVEN THOSE ALREADY HERE.

You see, many of those will self deport. They will have a parent die and attend the funeral. They will long to visit family and will go do so. Once they do, they can't get back in.

Frankly, the President's plan would be fine. It's all a matter of emphasis. Border Security is listed 1st, but it should also be talked about more than anything else. A strict guest worker plan will not encourage more influx if border security is good. I think most would accept some sort of guest worker plan, but let's arrange it to be on a schedule and that schedule would be . . . perhaps starting 3-4 years after Border Security has reduced the influx by 90% or some statistic like that.

Note that if the influx stops, the guest worker plan will have fewer and fewer participants as they endure their strict criminal punishment, pay their debt to society as former lawbreakers and become citizens.

"The number 1 item in the President's proposal is Border Security. Almost all of the rest of BOTH the House and Senate bills can be tossed out because Border Security will take care of EVEN THOSE ALREADY HERE."

Sorry, but I ain't buyin' it. Bush's proposal and the Senate bill both allow legalization of those already here, which is just plain NOT ACCEPTABLE. If any legislation offers "a path to citizenship" OTHER than "go home and get in the LEGAL immigration process line", it is bogus.

if border security is good.

Well now, that's a pretty big if. We already have border security laws on the books that aren't enforced. I'm not stupid enough to think than any new ones will be either.

You see, many of those will self deport. They will have a parent die and attend the funeral. They will long to visit family and will go do so. Once they do, they can't get back in.

And, you believe this...some illegal who has been here for years maybe, will just up and leave to attend a funeral, and then will not sneak back in afterwards.

You see, many of those will self deport. They will have a parent die and attend the funeral. They will long to visit family and will go do so. Once they do, they can't get back in.

ROFLOL!!!!

Hi Owen,
I understand your perspective, and I think there is merit to it.

However, I trusted in the Administration's approach to Campaign Finance Reform, that Bush did not veto it because he was certain it would be voted down in Congress. That was a major mistake, and this just feels the same way.

The number 1 item in the President's proposal is Border Security. Almost all of the rest of BOTH the House and Senate bills can be tossed out because Border Security will take care of EVEN THOSE ALREADY HERE.

Allow me to share first hand experience with you, I've lived on the Border since before the last Amnesty was implemented.

Your evaluation of the situation is not realistic. The current immigration laws are not being enforced, why do you believe any new ones would be enforced.

It will take several years to build up the enforcement forces. As soon as the President signs the bill, the human transport cartels in Mexico will be out selling it as amnesty, even if it isn't, by the time the enforcement division is built up to handle the influx there will be millions more across the border. If those already here are allowed to stay without returning to their country of origin, it will only encourage the amnesty salesmen in Mexico.