Skip to comments.THE HISPANIC CHALLENGE TO AMERICA (S. Huntington)-REPOST-(Very Long Good and Required)
Posted on 04/02/2006 10:05:03 AM PDT by Cacique
The persistent inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, and two languages. Unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclavesfrom Los Angeles to Miamiand rejecting the Anglo-Protestant values that built the American dream. The United States ignores this challenge at its peril.
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My comments on the old thread at the time were:
As someone the census bureau would classify as Hispanic. I think that I can speak with confidence that there are those of us who came here to be Americans and adopt American values. We abandoned our former countries because they were failures culturally, economically and politically. Unfortunately there are others who are here not as "immigrants" but as "colonists". They want to bring their failed culture and failed ideas to America and impose them here. Unfortunately there are panderers on both the left and the right that will play into those sentiments and help accelerate the Balkanization of America.
You can find the old thread with the complete article and it's interesting comments HERE.
A Freeper posted this a couple of weeks ago and I believe it is apropos today.
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. "
Theodore Roosevelt, 1907
PING to me for later read. Thanks for posting this.
What would you think of people with dual citizenship? Wouldn't that also mean an individual has loyalties to a country other than the US?
I would defend the Cubans and South Americans and Nicaraguans who fled the Sandies.
They vote right mostly (unlike most other Hispanics) and once outside Miami, they do tend to assimilate.
In Miami, they simply don't have to.
PS....I fear Brasilians may vote left too...and I have children that carry that passport too...as I once did.
Bttt! Excellent article, and great comments.
I still have the same gripe as I did when you first posted this. I agree with most of what Huntington says, but I dislike the words Hispanic and Latino because I'm never sure just who the author (not just Huntington) is talking about.
The persistent inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, and two languages.
The majority, though not all, of Hispanic immigrants may speak Spanish, but that does not mean that they share the same culture.
Unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclaves...
Who has the definitive list of the Hispanics who are also considered to be Latinos? And would it take the FOIA to get a copy of it? :^)
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I don't mind the immigration. it is the failure to assimilate that needs to be cured. No more Spanish in schools. We didn't have Italian in schools when my parents legally came here and worked shit jobs. We learned to speak English and now we are fiercely loyal Americans.
It is much easier for ignorant people in bureaucracies to classify people. Also, keep in mind that today modern migrants or "colonists" are a cheap plane ride away from their native countries and don't feel compelled to settle in culturaly or otherwise into their new country. The advent os foreign language television and papers and the entire market economy that comes with it makes it unnecessary for someone to assimilate. Coming to America is no longer the one way trip as it was a hundred years ago.
I never thought of Bush as deliberately balkanizing America but rather through a misguided belief he fails to see the consequences of his policies.
|We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.
Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.
For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.
As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.
George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.
Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:
In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster
We, who know the facts about illegal immigration MUST keep pushing for a SOLUTION.
If you agree, push the following:
First, employer sanctions in big numbers.
Second and at the same time, Secure the borders.
Third,an immigration policy that balances the need of America with the needs of potential immigrants.
Fourth, fix the economies of the broken countries, especially Mexico.
Ask yourself and your politicians, why it is that the huge populations of the Mexican cities on the border are not jumping the wire to get here. Is it because it is not as bad over there as the MSM and the pandering politicains would like to have us believe?
Who's coming? Is it the single male who is in the vast manority?
Do we want this all over America? Check out the link to the Pima County jail and see if the proportion of Hispanic surnames to other surnames is equivalent to the proportion of Hispanics in Tucson, 24%.
Hmmmmmmm ... I wonder if that is a pic of some of those "poor kids" in Ennis who had to miss their prom 'cause they were supsended for skipping school to join in the protests?!
You are right. Hispanity is best left south of the border.
| What would you think of people with dual citizenship? Wouldn't that also mean an individual has loyalties to a country other than the US?
Well, I have dual citizenship so I can answer that question first hand. I was born in Japan to American parents, but have allegiance to no country other than the United States. If someone wants to enter America to make money and retain their citizenship with their mother country, that is fine with me. Do it legally. If others find their country and/or culture is failing them, want to come to America to better themselves and become United States citizens, then they should do so legally, adopt our culture and pledge allegiance to the United States.
I can't speak for others, but General John Abizaid comes to mind. Who would know that he is Lebanese and speaks fluent Arab. Does anyone think he has loyalties other than to the United States?
Yes it does, and I would kick his butt out.
There's plenty of empty roadless desert land, which is exactly as they would have left it if their fairy tale of past inhabitation of the Southwest was true. I say the Feds should offer 20 acres of empty desert BLM land and if they make a go of it in 5 years, after at least one member of their family does a stint in the military they can apply for citizenship.
What really tipped the scales in Cortez's favor, of course---obviously besides the "western way of war"---was the fact that he had 25,000 Indian allies who blocked off the escape routes, and forced the Aztecs to fight him in the narrow streets where their numbers were meaningless.
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Bingo. Instead of the "Norse-Aryan Volk" myth, they have the "new bronze race" myth, supposedly born of that love-fest between the brown-skinned Spaniards, and the brown-skinned Indians.
They even have a "Mein Kampf," which is called "El Plan de Aztlan," full of racial and socialist mumbo jumbo. Their "nationalism" is racial identity.
And this Plan de Aztlan is no trivial matter. It's the "constitution" of MEChA, for example. MEChA is the student group dedicated to carrying out the "Plan de Aztlan." The A in MEChA is for Aztlan.
Why does this matter? Because there are active MEChA chapters on every college and high school campus in the Southwest peddling this twaddle as fact.
Today, after 20 years of this propaganda, MEChistas are judges, lawyers, politicians, and so on, in positions of real power to influence events.
How important are these grown-up MEChistas?
Here's one notable MEChista:
Read about how a pro-communist, ultra radical "MEChista" named Tony Villar cut his hair, changed his name, put on a tie, and became the mayor of America's second largest city.
It should also be mentioned that the official logo of MEChA is an eagle, holding a blood-dripping Aztec head-chopper in one talon, and a lit dynamite bomb in the other.
And the founder of the UCLA chapter of MEChA, is now the mayor of LA, so this is no "fringe" element.
Montebello High Scool, LA, March 27, 2006. That is the tall flagpole over the entire school. People who understand the MEChA movement are not at all shocked by these scenes. We've seen it coming for years, and this is only the beginning of what is to come.
The elites in this country are completely and totally detached from reality, all they know is what they imagine.
I was once in Harlem with a very wealthy blueblood friend of mine (married to a Dupont) and he made the comment that every time he visited Harlem he felt he knew how black people lived and experienced things. I simply turned to him and told him "You're just a tourist, you haven't got a clue". That is I am afraid how all elites are when it comes to the rest of the societies they live in. We have our world and they live in theirs.
My great-grandmother legally immigrated from eastern Europe. She washed bank floors in Pittsburgh. She was Slovak speaking. My grandmother would not speak a word of Slovak no matter how hard us grand kids pestered her. She considered herself American. She spoke English only.
My wife's dad was a legal immigrant from Portugal. Her dad learned and spoke English only even at home.
English is the language that unites us. English is the language that America was founded upon.
This multi cultural BS that the liberal idiots have foisted on us is what will destroy our nation.
But then as we see more and more brainwashed zombies think we need some one world Utopian government. I think their goal is to destroy this nation.
"I would defend the Cubans and South Americans and Nicaraguans who fled the Sandies. "
Yeah. There's a world of difference between Elian Gonzales' mother giving her life to release her son from demonic Communist oppression and a Mexican breaking into our country for money.
There's something wrong when the former got sent back to the gulag and the latter is allowed to step on our laws, sovereignty and Constitution.
Culture. language, borders. Let's keep 'em.
I like Tony, but sometimes those rose colored glasses of his, hamper his ability to see clearly.
Problem is most people look at you like you are insane when you try to tell them about La Raza or MECHa
Print out some URLs with the titles about LaRaza and give it to them. Say, "Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me."
I KNOW that's true. It's that way when you attempt to educate people about many leftist groups and their radical agendas.
After viewing the pictures I feel we can disarm them with our love.
Tony supports the administrations guest worker program. Travis challenged Tony's position Friday, on Tony's Program's talk radio thread.
I wouldn't mind amnesty so much IF there was a clause that said they MUST repay the two or three trillion dollar debt incurred by American citizens for their welfare.
What's next? Once they take Aztlan back and turn it into a northern Mexico ghetto - what's next? They want to be part of America or do they just want to trash up the nieghborhood?
Does this mean we have to move area 51?
Posted by JeffHead Jeff links to Mexica.org's 'after protest' pic fest. You can see there what the marchers thought they were marching for.
A poster for Friday's march. March 31. This poster lists the Latino orgs that are promoting the protests. They are all communist/socialist front orgs.
Here is my analysis of what is going on behind the scenes.
Here is some evidence that 'amnesty' increases illegal entries. These people knew before the demonstrations that the time was ripe.
Smith Act of 1940 This is the U.S. statute that ought to apply to the organized gathering of tens of thousands of foreign nationals calling for the overthrow of our country.
H.R. 4437 At this link you will find a good exegesis of the only bill that doesn't offer some type of amnesty/pathway to citizenship/excuses for illegal entry. It is harsh on employers but has reasonable protections for employers who verify documents that are later shown to be false. It explains that the databases necessary are already in place. It provides for border security.
Understand that the provision that the protesters say is 'racist,' that makes illegals felons, was inserted by the Dems a short time ago. That clarifies why Hillary happened to discover the immigration issue a week before the marches. Why she demonized Republicans as "making Jesus a criminal."
Keep in mind just who organized these protests. Who provided the tens of thousands of T-shirts, the thousands of professionally made signs, the hours and hours of promotion on Spanish language radio and TV stations. It has been noticed that Islamic orgs names and logos appear on some of these signs as well. Remember that NEA teachers and adminstrators are the ones who have assisted the march organizers by providing bussing for their students, hoisting Mexican flags at school and overlooking the truancy.
Don't forget that the last two Presidential elections were nearly 50/50. Think about how our Congress is looking for a way to appease these foreign nationals through legilation. No election necessary. The outcome of legalizing 11 million illegals and encouraging more to come will be a solid lock for the left forevermore in national elections.
You make a very perceptive comment which should be obvious to all but which most people don't consider - coming to America is no longer a one way trip, and it is no longer necessary to assimilate. "Globalization" and "multiculturalism" are now taken by the governing elites as givens, without much thought to the longer tern implications. At the moment we are just muddling along and hoping that we'll muddle through.
I did not forget that. It still doesn't mean that he gets to choose only hispanics for his "new America". If we are to honor our heritage then we must bring people in from all over.
Thanks for your posts. I am proud that you and I are Americans first and hyphenates second.