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The jobs bank costs GM jobs
Cgarleston Daily-Mail ^ | 3/29/06

Posted on 04/02/2006 5:21:30 PM PDT by Dane

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To: Dane
According to Edmunds, a company that provides automotive data, they are predicting that GM sales will be down by 11% from March 2005 and Ford will be down about 5%.

The Jobs Bank is only part of the problem. Much of it is the culture at GM and Ford. Executives are overpaid and constantly switched to different jobs. It doesn't matter if you leave a mess, it's someone else's problem.

Ford has another problem - its culture discourages risk-taking. Ford marketing people blindly follow the advice of J. Walter Thompson, the Ford Division's ad agency, no matter how foolish the advice is because at Ford "no one ever got fired for following the advice of J. Walter Thompson."
21 posted on 04/02/2006 6:20:49 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I wonder if GM goes bankrupt, does that end the pensions of their retirees?

That would be up to the courts to decide.

Auto dealers, vendors, stockholders, pensioners, any remaining employees, bankers - all may have a claim on the carcass. The judge decides who is first in line (gets paid), and who is last in line (gets boned).

A relative of mine worked most of his life for a company in CA that went belly up. The pension fund was empty by the time they closed the doors, so he got boned. There was a class action lawsuit over this issue, along with the fact that employees got none of the proceeds from sale of company assets (a NASCAR race track stands on the former company property, valued at millions). Despite the suit, he still got boned, AFAIK.

22 posted on 04/02/2006 6:26:35 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( <== I'm with Stupid...)
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To: Dane

Rush discussed this several weeks ago. IIRC, I believe that the other 2 in the "Big 3" automakers are also a part of this.


23 posted on 04/02/2006 7:31:40 PM PDT by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The gov't guarantees all pensions. There are upper limits, though. The limits are based on age and the company plan. I think the upper limits are generous, but some people - like pilots for now defunct airlines - get far less than they were promised.


24 posted on 04/02/2006 7:33:22 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: rbg81

Well, they're acting stupid.. not really a shock from the company that killed off Oldsmobile...


25 posted on 04/02/2006 7:55:50 PM PDT by Schwaeky ("Truth is not determined by a majority vote." Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Dane

What does the term featherbedding mean?
It's unionists with their high up political Democrat connections and media support that suck the lifeblood out of businesses.
We listened to Presidential campaigns when Gore and then Kerry lashed out at businesses to gain voters with this socialist me, me, me strain.


26 posted on 04/02/2006 8:01:21 PM PDT by hermgem
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To: PLMerite

"GM needs to get into the sewer-cleaning business and put some of that "pool" to work. I wonder how many of them would quit?"

None would quit, because you can't make them work out of their job classification, and there is no sewer cleaner classification in the contract.


27 posted on 04/02/2006 8:04:41 PM PDT by Beagle8U (John McCain, you treasonous bastard)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
At GM you can just not show up for work and you will not be fired or disciplined.

I used to work at GM, white-collar salaried worker. I was guillotined back in '92 during mass layoffs, I only had 3 years so NOTHING. I went back as a contractor on short term assignments.

I have been doing only short term contracts for the past three years. And there is more and more space between the contracts. I am so discouraged, I hate this freaking industry and I want to get out, but I don't know what else to do.

28 posted on 04/02/2006 8:07:21 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 23-28)
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To: Graybeard58
That's my job! (retired)

I'm curious. I've assumed the "58" suffix on your screen name was the year you were born. I'm two years older. How did you manage to retire already? My dad retired at age 47 with his Navy retirement (27 1/2 years, retired as a Commander). He never worked another day.

29 posted on 04/02/2006 8:09:42 PM PDT by Myrddin
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The "58" refers to my age when I signed up. I was born in '45.

I retired in Dec. '99 at age 54. I started putting the max in my 401k in the early 80s and did that until I retired in '99, I rode the tech boom all through the 90s and following the conventional wisdom I took my money out of riskier tech stocks when I retired and put it in safer investments, just in time to avoid the tech bust. I am not an investment expert, just got lucky with the timing.

There were times in the 90s when a 25% gain was a "bad" year, I saw gains of 40% some years.


30 posted on 04/02/2006 8:56:47 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Myrddin

In addition, I wasn't old enough when I retired to draw from 401k but my wife and I had other investments and she still works and makes a good salary.


31 posted on 04/02/2006 9:00:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
Congrats on the great discipline (and ideal timing). I haven't been as disciplined, but I did get my mortgage paid off at age 45. I'm figuring on working 15 to 20 years.
32 posted on 04/02/2006 10:30:21 PM PDT by Myrddin
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