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To: garyhope

Not much art is purely abstract, most of it, even that labeled abstract, is "representational" to some degree or another. Although, so far, no one has been able to convince me that any of the purely abstract art is "great art," though I do recognize some of it as good art, in the way that fabric patterns or package designs are good art.

I believe most "realistic" artists agree with you that more is needed than just virtuosity to create good or great art. Most of the good ones warn of the dangers of concentration on just technique. One often hears it said, for instance, that technique will take care of itself, provided the concept is there. However, IMO, the gaining of real skill takes real time, and chances are good that the shallow among us will not take the time, while those who do take the time will learn to express a worthwhile reality as they gain skill.

The irony in this is that those who lack skill will struggle to express their concept, and thus it is they who are apt to be stuck on technique.

I'm not so sure that great art cannot be explained simply - my experience is that it is the self important crap that no one knows what it is that they're looking at that requires a wordy and academic sounding treatise pinned on the wall next to it.

I agree that music, at least the melody part, is pure abstraction, and thus makes a convincing argument that abstract art can be beautiful.

I personally, while liking much abstract art, am really a lover of the more representational stuff. But it does seem fairly obvious that it is the abstract elements within realistic art that makes some of it great, so I guess I have to admit to being a lover of the abstract. 'Course, that makes the great "realists" great abstract artists. IMO, there's some truth in that idea.


48 posted on 04/05/2006 10:11:14 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Sam Cree

Thanks for a very literate response.

I do love Caravaggio, De la Tour, Michaelangelo, but also de Kooning, Rothko, Twombly and Judd, just to name a few.


49 posted on 04/05/2006 10:15:53 AM PDT by garyhope (Simplicity is best in everything)
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