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Message from a Time Traveler
Dan Simmons - Official Web Site ^ | April 1, 2006 | Dan Simmons

Posted on 04/06/2006 4:33:24 AM PDT by Mr170IQ

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To: Mr170IQ
This is effective to illustrate the dangers in the future, but it does not address the argument that we are having today about how to address it.

The argument is that currently we are trying to usher them into the 21st century by way of Democracy and many think that to be a waste of time.

The counter argument is to kill them all.

I don't think it is anyone but the isolationist's and anti-globalist's, together with the pansy-asses, who advocate retreat and cover policy and nobody is taking them seriously anyway.

But I enjoyed the piece! It reflects the reality of a very sick religion that needs reform.

61 posted on 04/06/2006 6:34:10 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Mr170IQ

Excellent. Thanks for sharing.


62 posted on 04/06/2006 6:34:23 AM PDT by Space Wrangler
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To: Mr170IQ

Wow.


63 posted on 04/06/2006 6:35:23 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan Any questions?)
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To: Mr170IQ
saving for wide awake reading .

I've been up all night and this requires wide awake reading.

64 posted on 04/06/2006 6:36:41 AM PDT by Cheapskate (America , -- -- -- -- Yeah!)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
About "the last three words" .... has anyone figured them out?

"Klaatu barada nikto."

65 posted on 04/06/2006 6:37:48 AM PDT by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: NELSON111
1)That's very short sighted. In two generations, due to birth rates ALONE, muslims will be the majority in France and approaching the majority in most of Europe.

I have heard that argument before, about the Asians an Blacks when they first came to my country.

What happened the children of the immigrants decided that they were more interested in the trappings of western society rather than settling down and breeding like there parents.

Look at those rioting in France covered in Bling gold chains, more interested in what society can do for them, future soldiers of Islam my butt. In Britain Islamic youth seems to be more interested in fast cars and boom boxes, enjoying there wealth

2)Look at the trends in Islam. Is it trending more fundamentalist or more liberal?

No its always mean fundamentalist, and there lies its own weakness, as the governments become more fundamentalist, they have to rely more and more on repression to keep order, and to survive.

In Pakistan Pakistani business men are starting to question why they cannot get in on the boom India is enjoying.

3)I can say, however, that we are not near ruthless enough in this "war on terror.

As ex military myself most of my military life was spent in COIN ops. North Ireland, Balkans, Africa and Basra

I would be interested to hear your views on what methods we are using that are weak and what methods we should be using and where.

I am happy to correspond privately so we don't discuss it in the public domain

66 posted on 04/06/2006 6:38:08 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Mr170IQ

If I knew back in high school what I know right now BUMP.


67 posted on 04/06/2006 6:39:07 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: gopheraj

mark


68 posted on 04/06/2006 6:41:24 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Mr170IQ

bumped


69 posted on 04/06/2006 6:42:20 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: Mr170IQ
The Time Traveler laughed a final time. “All of your grandsons’ names were on lists. You wrote something . . . will soon write something . . . that will put your name, and all your descendents’ names, on their list. Including your only surviving grandson.”

This is another part of the essay about which I've been thinking. Is the author referring to this very "Message from a Time Traveler" as the piece which the author-in-the-story "will soon write"? In essence, saying, 'It's already too late'???

70 posted on 04/06/2006 6:42:25 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Publius6961
re :Stick to posturing.

Don't get snotty with me, my grammar may not be perfect but I have done my duty by my country on more than one occasion and have earned the right to my opinions most of them forged in gritty realism and experience not from the safety of the Internet or library

71 posted on 04/06/2006 6:43:16 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: oldtimer2
The present "small part of Islam that is violent" is ruthless enough to carry the fight to anyone that will not buckle under.

Two Points. 1) The small, violent part of Islam is ruthless enough...AND unless we have the stones to kill off every last one of them, they will do what you say. 2) The "majority"..."peaceful" part of Islam is an accomplice to the minority by their silence and lack of standing up to this ruthless generation. Therefor, part of the blame for all of this is on their shoulders for not stopping this before it started.

I personally don't think they are as innocent as they make themselves out to be. I just think they are not as brave as their jihadist brothers...yet. I do believe many are with them in spirit and will join them once the waters are a little less icey.

72 posted on 04/06/2006 6:44:01 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Erasmus; NewJerseyJoe

Actually, I thought the most terrifying 'last three words' would be "Hillary Still Rules"....


73 posted on 04/06/2006 6:51:29 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: tonycavanagh
but I have done my duty by my country on more than one occasion and have earned the right to my opinions most of them forged in gritty realism and experience not from the safety of the Internet or library

..and we, most of us, are grateful to you for it. Suffice to say that John Kerrey feels the same way that you do. The nexus between military experience and wisdom is not automatic, I fear; nor are the lessons of history any clearer to those who serve.

Opinions are always good.

74 posted on 04/06/2006 6:53:22 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Mr170IQ

Bookmarked


75 posted on 04/06/2006 6:54:21 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: tonycavanagh
"Someone pleases explain to me how they get to take over the world unless we eradicate the Islamic population."

Think about it.

Fear:
Mexicans protest in the American Southwest, politicians give them amnesty, with the help of businesses.
Riots in France, and the politicians cower and mollycoddle those perpetrating the riots.
People loudly protesting trailers for a movie depicting the fateful events of United flight 93, not willing to face a replay of the horror on that day--and politicians and the media helping those people to stick their heads in the sand.
Freeing a country from the grip of the Taliban, only to see it turn around and almost execute a man for converting to Christianity--and then making 'strong words' about said action, without a clear notice to back up those words.
Not calling Muslim perpetrators of horrors against non-Muslims by their real name ( i.e. Muslim ).

As to self-interest?

Turning Washington DC into an armed camp, to protect the skins of the political class, while two political parties decide to fight over scraps of power.
Businesses pushing to keep the borders wide open for cheap labor.
Not taking a hard line against regimes who suppress their people because of a need for cheap oil.
Portraying Islamic killers and invaders over the Southern border in a favorable light, while simultaneously portraying those who take affront as 'backwards', 'racist', 'unenlightened', all because those who have taken affront are Patriotic or do not agree with slave labor.
Using Islam as a way to leverage a way into power in politics ( Sometimes called 'riding the tiger' ).

Do you think, for one moment, those who see the debacle American politicians are performing, all for the sake of gaining a political office, do not interpret said kabuki show as a sign that the US is not serious?
Or that Europe is not cowering in fear ( well, maybe not cowering, but that is the perception )?

That story by the author is very, very powerful--and shines a big bright spotlight on the sad nature of what is going on.

76 posted on 04/06/2006 6:54:38 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Cold Heat
The argument is that currently we are trying to usher them into the 21st century by way of Democracy and many think that to be a waste of time. The counter argument is to kill them all.

Democracy is a necessary moral stepping stone. When countries are run by dictators, you can blame their actions and inactions on the governments. But if the people freely elect radicals who pursue a policy of convert or die, then you can kill them all with a clear conscience.
77 posted on 04/06/2006 6:56:27 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Rose in RoseBear
Can you figure out the three words?
78 posted on 04/06/2006 6:56:30 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear (All hail Xenu!)
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To: Dan(9698)

I think bad SciFi is goofy and all of a sudden I'm doomed?

Give it a rest.

79 posted on 04/06/2006 6:57:52 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (The MSM is a hate group and we are the object of their disdain.)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Can you figure out the three words?

Don't vote Democrat........

80 posted on 04/06/2006 6:57:57 AM PDT by Two-Bits (Attn Democrats: Radical Islam does not care whether you are a liberal or conservative.)
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