Posted on 04/10/2006 6:35:39 PM PDT by Eaglewatcher
Sorry camel - no strawmen there (except yours).
That plus ignorance, the lack of understanding that they will be better off under the NRST than with their present special little niche. And there are some who want to keep us non competitive for anti American reasons.
Straw man argument...
Two bits you can't point out the "straw"..
are you a "Deanie Baby" ?
I'll bite. Whats a "deanie", baby?
Step 1: Build the Straw Man: "Evolution is false! How could a mouse evolve into an elephant!?"
Step 2: Knock down the Straw Man by any means necessary: "How could a mouse evolve into an elephant? There would have to be billions of changes for that to occur, and nobody has ever seen speciation anyway!"
Step 3: Connect the original position to the Straw Man:"So it's silly...who has ever seen a mouse evolve into an elephant? Nobody!!"
Step 4: Claim to negate the opposing position by the connection in 3. "Therefore, evolution must be false!"
Good lord, you are insane if you think that explains your position, or shows any evidence of a 'straw man' I've made.
Thanks for posting camel; -- takes guts to play when you can't even understand the game.
Oslo Syndrome
Could it be that they all have some sort of vested interest in business as usual, and don't care if this Republic is on the road to serfdom?
That plus ignorance, the lack of understanding that they will be better off under the NRST than with their present special little niche.
And there are some who want to keep us non competitive for anti American reasons.
22 Mind-numbed Robot
Oslo Syndrome
24 dead dog
Tis amazing to me how many otherwise ordinary americans simply do not agree with the basic principles of our Republic as set forth in our Constitution.
The basic principle of an income tax is expressly forbidden, yet the 16th Amendment ignores that wisdom.
-- Repeal is long overdue, and those who oppose repeal should be branded as the socialists they are.
I'm all for the NRST, however the best arguments I've heard/read against it are:
1). The 20% savings is due includes reduction in gross pay to equal current net...true enough, but I'll take the hit, the benefits out way that cost.
2). Cost in elasticity keep 100% of tax burden being transmitted to customer, therefore removing the tax burden will not effect all products and services equally. My answer is simply, the tax burden is not fairly applied as it is.
3). Folks who have no debt, and are sitting on cash, will be double taxed (they already paid income tax) as they spend their wealth. However, they are not accounting for the income tax embedded in the goods or services they were going to purchase with their soon to be double taxed cash.
NRST is no panacea, but it is far superior to our current system.
Exactly, -- and its opponents act as though the proposal is engraved in stone.
There is no doubt that it can be improved.
I should know better than get into a battle of witts with an unarmed man.
But for anyone who still has an open mind, the right answer, in use, in other enlightend parts of the world.
see here: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1866.cfm
Why are you posting a bit about a 'flat' income tax? It would resolve little, - or nothing, about this socialistic form of taxation.
-- The issue here is why you fight against repeal of the present Income Tax/SSI mess we have created..
Because the Fair, Flat Tax has about 10 million more intelligent supporters (and works everywhere it has been tried) than the Gospel according to boortz and the UnFairNationalExcessSalesTax.orgasm plan.
I'm more worried about the competitive edge our trade policies give foreign manufacturers. If you don't clean that up, our tax system won't matter.
"-- The socialistic and anti-social character of the income tax is inherent.
Imbedded in the philosophy of the law is the destructive principle, so that once it is in effect the economic and political consequences are inevitable.
The principle of the income tax is the denial of private property.
There is nothing in the Sixteenth Amendment, there is nothing in the principle of the income tax, which puts a limit on the amount the State may demand, and hence the implication is clear that the individual's absolute right of private property is denied.
The theory of republican government, that its powers are derived from the will of the people, is no safeguard against this denial of private property.
Assuming that the Sixteenth Amendment at the time of its enactment did express the will of the people, every one of them, the substance and effect of income taxation was to destroy the will of any subsequent generation for modification or revocation.
It is unlike any other law.
For the denial of the right of private property is in essence the denial of the right of the individual to himself. He is no longer a free person if he is not free to keep and enjoy the products of his labors. --"
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/chodorov_on_income_tax.html
Where has the flat tax been tried?
Don't want to answer, do you...
Your flat income tax is still a socialistic income tax scheme, - and it does nothing to address our SSI/welfare problem.
You refuse to read the article, end of discussion.
I read it. -- Thanks for withdrawing.
Whichever flavor of "the flat tax" you think you support (and there are several) they all suffer from a number of common, fatal flaws.
The are still income-based taxes.
They still retain the IRS.
They still law the payroll tax withholdings upon us.
They still require the annual anal exam we collectively know as reporting all sorts of information that should be private to the goverrnment since it's really none of their business and they don't really need to know my age or my wife's to obtain tax revenue. Etc., etc. with respect to unrequired information that must be disclosed to the IRS because they'd like to know it.
They still do not obtainany particular amount of tax revenue from those in the illegal economy.
They still do not help our manufacturers by removing the costs of taxes from the things they export.
... and there's more - much more - as several FairTax supporters have posted over the years but these'll do for starters. When you arrange your particular flat tax to solve those problems, come back and we'll have some more for you.
I read the article. The flat tax is nothing more than income tax 101. What's new about that? We had a flat tax in 1913 and look what it's turned into. DON'T tax my labor. Don't tax my back breaking work. THAT is what should be encouraged. Tax my spending. Even better, tax my spending only over and above the basic necessities I need to provide for me and my family.
This has all been hashed and re-hashed so many times on these threads. The flat tax is nothing more than pruning back the kudzu. It'll grow back so fast you'll have to run to keep ahead of it.
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