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To: Dimensio

"If, as you say, common descent "rests squarely on a specific view of the origin of life", then only one of the above hypothesis can be true for common descent to have occured."

Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Bad logic, try again.

My point was that if you remove assumptions about the origin of life, then your assumptions don't require you to posit monophyly. Then all you have is the evidence. Incidentally, as the paper I referenced points out, the evidence doesn't require it, either, and actually speaks against it in many ways.

Again, without specific assumptions about the origin of life, there is no reason to assume monophyly. That is not the same thing as saying that only one set of assumptions will get you monophyly. The point is that if you don't make origin-of-life assumptions, you do not get monophyly from the data.


100 posted on 04/11/2006 2:12:23 PM PDT by johnnyb_61820
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To: johnnyb_61820
Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Bad logic, try again.

My statement was a direct response to your claim that common descent requires a "specific" method for the origin of life. If that is not what you meant, then the error is yours.

Again, without specific assumptions about the origin of life, there is no reason to assume monophyly.

Monophyly is not assumed based upon assumptions regarding the origin of life. Assumptions regarding the origin of life are based upon abundant evidence for monophyly.
102 posted on 04/11/2006 2:17:00 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: johnnyb_61820
Incidentally, as the paper I referenced points out, the evidence doesn't require it, either, and actually speaks against it in many ways.

The link completely ignores ribosomal RNA, whcih, if monophyletic, proves common descent, regardless of what other genes are laterally transferred.

110 posted on 04/11/2006 3:00:03 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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