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George Allen for President? (vanity)
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Posted on 04/13/2006 11:58:25 AM PDT by HHKrepublican_2

I was just looking at Allens website for his senate re-election bid, his philosophy on Government is near perfect!! He has an all American family and his wife just has that first lady look to her which complements George's Presidential leadership 'vibe' Any FReepers know more about allen? Is his name being tossed around for 2008?




The Allen Family (left to right): Forrest, Brooke, Susan, George and Tyler


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1 posted on 04/13/2006 11:58:26 AM PDT by HHKrepublican_2
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To: HHKrepublican_2

He's definitely in the running. Have you honestly not seen this on FR?


2 posted on 04/13/2006 12:00:08 PM PDT by RockinRight (Yes...she's an excellent tour guide!)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

He's the name I've seen mentioned most often.


3 posted on 04/13/2006 12:01:04 PM PDT by bigLusr (Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
Is his name being tossed around for 2008?

It that is a serious question ... yes, Allen is considered among the top-tier contenders for the Republican nomination ... and almost certainly will run.

4 posted on 04/13/2006 12:01:11 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Oliver Optic

Good! Im enthralled then!


5 posted on 04/13/2006 12:01:55 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (www.Rogers2006.com)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

[sigh]


6 posted on 04/13/2006 12:02:36 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

From what I know about him, I could support him.

His candidacy has been mentioned here, lots of times. He was one of the candidates mentioned on a poll here.


7 posted on 04/13/2006 12:02:45 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (How inna heck can I wash my neck, when it ain't gonna rain no more - (wishful thinking!))
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To: HHKrepublican_2

I'd vote for him.


8 posted on 04/13/2006 12:03:12 PM PDT by Rick_Michael
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To: HHKrepublican_2
He's a good man ... considered Reaganesque by some, a little bland by others.

He's probably the top conservative hope for the nomination at this point.

9 posted on 04/13/2006 12:04:12 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: HHKrepublican_2

He's still a senator, and in my book that's two strikes against him.


10 posted on 04/13/2006 12:04:28 PM PDT by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect, it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
George's Presidential leadership 'vibe' Any FReepers know more about allen? Is his name being tossed around for 2008?

On June 15, Sen. George Allen (R-Virginia) horrified his constituents when he cast a vote against family values by adding “sexual orientation” to the Federal Hate Crimes Act. Sen. Allen’s support of the homosexual lobby directly contradicts his promise during his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2000 to oppose pro-homosexual legislation.
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/5883/CFI/family/index.htm

Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) opposes same-sex marriage but has yet to join his GOP colleagues who have come out in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment
http://www.washblade.com/2004/4-16/news/localnews/moran.cfm

Human Events Online wanted to know where Senate Republicans stood on open borders/amnesty, so it asked them:

The key question: Will the Senate approve an amnesty for illegal aliens?

The editors of Human Events define amnesty as granting any kind of legal residency status to an illegal alien without first making him return to his home country.

The immigration bill passed by the House in December does not include an amnesty.

Last week, we asked all 55 Republican senators (via their press secretaries): “Will you rule out voting this year for an immigration reform bill that converts illegal immigrants to legal guest workers without making them return to their home countries first?”

Most did not answer our question, but several senators did respond. We intend to keep asking. You can, too, by using the contact information below.

Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals.
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/03/

Based on this, I'd say that George Allen is not the sort of conservative that we need to nominate in 2008, and that if he was to be nominated, I would not vote for him.
11 posted on 04/13/2006 12:05:43 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

I'd rather have Alan Keyes, but I could support Allen. Definitely take him over McGuiliani.


12 posted on 04/13/2006 12:05:49 PM PDT by Jibaholic (The 2008 signature virus! Fight McGuiliani. Support both Tancredo and Pence.)
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To: quantim

Hes a former Governor so i heard.


13 posted on 04/13/2006 12:05:58 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2 (www.Rogers2006.com)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
I guess I haven't heard that Allen is running. On the other hand, I haven't yet heard that McCain or clinton are running. So....

A. I hope he is running, and

B. He is the one guy on the Republican side I have seen to date that I...

1. could happily support, and

2. have actively and in speech pulled for for at least a year.

I am secretary of our Senate District (BPOU) Committee, so am a tiny cog in the machine. I live in Minnesota, so Allen has caught the attention of at least one guy who lives far from his home state.

14 posted on 04/13/2006 12:06:56 PM PDT by stevem
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To: HHKrepublican_2

He's the former Governor of Virginia. He ran and governed as a princilpled conservative and left the state in great shape. His ppularity won him a seat in the Senate and gave Jim Gilmore a great leg up in his campaign for Governor.


15 posted on 04/13/2006 12:09:46 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: HHKrepublican_2
If pro-life is important to you (as it is to me), you should be aware that Allen has in the past departed a bit from a fully pro-life position.

My understanding is that he has supported legal abortion in the very early stages.

He will need to clarify this ... but as a Senator he has been solidly pro-life ... and there is little doubt that he would appoint strongly conservative judges when the time comes.

16 posted on 04/13/2006 12:11:00 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: HHKrepublican_2

He's my favorite of the "realistic" candidates. Tancredo obviously is not going to be elected.


17 posted on 04/13/2006 12:11:09 PM PDT by Altair333 (Please no more 'Bush's fault' posts- the joke is incredibly old)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
Something we've been hearing is that another former Virginia Governor, Dumbocrap Mark Warner plans to run for President as well. Would be interesting, two former Virginia Governors in the Presidential race.

BTW, Virginia is the birthplace of eight Presidents, more than any other state.

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
Zachary Taylor
Woodrow Wilson

Can we make it nine? Hopefully with Allen.
18 posted on 04/13/2006 12:12:42 PM PDT by fredhead ("There's a little bit fruitcake left in every one of us." - Jimmy Buffett)
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To: Old_Mil
Most did not answer our question, but several senators did respond. We intend to keep asking. You can, too, by using the contact information below. Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals. http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/03/

I heard George Allen address the issue of illegal immigration just last week and he stated that he is opposed to any amnesty.

19 posted on 04/13/2006 12:13:02 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: HHKrepublican_2
"Legal immigration has been and continues to be the life blood of our nation; my mother legally immigrated to America. Unfortunately, illegal immigration is one of the biggest problems affecting our country today and it is undermining our economic and physical security. I believe that, first and foremost, we need to secure our borders. We need more border agents and detention centers along the border and we ought to be using technology, such as unmanned aerial vehicles, to help with surveillance. Secondly, we must not reward illegal behavior; rewarding illegal behavior will only encourage more illegal actions."

Very general and nebulous, not at all vote-stimulating.

20 posted on 04/13/2006 12:16:21 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
Allen is a former Governor, speaks well, has a good smile and is genuinely likable. That goes a long ways in running for the Presidency. Whether I would support him depends on what other Republicans are running. Politics is about comparative choices.
21 posted on 04/13/2006 12:17:00 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: fredhead

Virginia's tied with Ohio for eight. William Henry Harrison, U.S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James Garfield, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley, William Howard Taft, and Warren G. Harding were from there. Virginia would need Allen to break the tie.


22 posted on 04/13/2006 12:18:47 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Coop

Just what we need another inarticulate, big spending, go along - get along, privileged frat boy who never had a job that didn't involve spending taxpayer money. Don't say how he cut the budget as Gov cuz the minute he got to the Senate... Farm bill...yes Highway bill....yes Medicaid expansion...yes Energy fiasco of a bill....May Crude Fri up at $69.65...yes But since he's pro-life that makes everything OK.


23 posted on 04/13/2006 12:19:20 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

I read that he supports mandatory trigger locks on all 'legally owned' guns...


24 posted on 04/13/2006 12:19:24 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: plain talk
Politics is about comparative choices.

Deserves repeating.

25 posted on 04/13/2006 12:20:51 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Blackirish

I'll vote for the man just to raise your blood pressure.


26 posted on 04/13/2006 12:21:23 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
My favorite George Allen quote:

Lets enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.

(He was speaking of democrats).
27 posted on 04/13/2006 12:21:28 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: Blackirish; Corin Stormhands

An Illinois flag! Who'd have ever have guessed?!? ROTFLMAO!!


28 posted on 04/13/2006 12:22:16 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop

I'm voting against him...That cancels your vote out...


29 posted on 04/13/2006 12:25:02 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: fredhead

Allen might make it nine, but not Warner. He's a Hoosier by birth.


30 posted on 04/13/2006 12:26:52 PM PDT by MarxSux
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To: MarxSux

George Allen was born in California.


31 posted on 04/13/2006 12:28:20 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Iscool; Coop

I'm voting for him - so my vote cancels out your vote.


32 posted on 04/13/2006 12:28:51 PM PDT by iceskater (One person's mess is another person's filing system.)
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To: Coop

Good grief! I have neither the time nor energy to correct all the misinformation on this thread...


33 posted on 04/13/2006 12:30:27 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Coop
An Illinois flag! Who'd have ever have guessed?!? ROTFLMAO!!


Your pretty easily amused, a box of crayons must keep you in stitches.
34 posted on 04/13/2006 12:31:40 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Oliver Optic; Altair333
"He will need to clarify this ... but as a Senator he has been solidly pro-life ... and there is little doubt that he would appoint strongly conservative judges when the time comes."

"He will need to clarify this ... but as a Senator he has been solidly pro-life ... and there is little doubt that he would appoint strongly conservative judges when the time comes."

Those were two very reasoned comments on George Allen.

In my opinion Allen is honest, Conservative enough, southern enough, and most of all, electable!

I don't agree with everything he has said or done, but he has the best chance in 2008 of being elected, over anyone the RATS have to offer.
35 posted on 04/13/2006 12:32:52 PM PDT by Beagle8U (John McCain, you treasonous bastard)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
From what I've seen of Allen (which I admit is very little) he's not the most stimulating person in the room.

He may very well be a great president, but he doesn't seem like that dynamic of a campaigner (at least not yet). I personally think he's going to get trounced in the primaries.
36 posted on 04/13/2006 12:34:33 PM PDT by birbear (I took an IQ test and I flunked it of course. I can't spell VW, but I drive a Porsche.)
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To: Old_Mil

There is NOBODY perfect enough for you, right? so you gonna elect a Dem?


37 posted on 04/13/2006 12:35:20 PM PDT by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign We Did It! NOW.... PLEASE STAY THE COURSE!)
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To: Old_Mil

Interesting that you quote the Washington Blade. But the information is correct. That article is from April of 2004

Allen voted for the Marriage Amendment in July 2004.


38 posted on 04/13/2006 12:35:29 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: quantim

He may be a Senator now but he was a great governor here in the state of Virginia. Therefore he has the executive experience that John Kerry and so many of the other nimrods lack. He is not a schmoozer like Bill Clinton but presented properly that may be an asset.


39 posted on 04/13/2006 12:35:54 PM PDT by dogcaller
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To: Beagle8U; All
MR. RUSSERT: Something else happened this week, Senator Allen, in South Dakota. And this is how The New York Times reported it: “Governor Michael Rounds, the Republican Governor of South Dakota, signed into law the nation’s most sweeping state abortion ban. ... The law makes it a felony to perform any abortion except in a case of a pregnant woman’s life being in jeopardy.” No exceptions for rape, incest, health of the mother. Would you like to see that law, the law of the United States of America?

SEN. ALLEN: Well, first of all I respect and support the right of the people in the states to pass laws that reflect their values and their desires. For the country, I think each state ought to make those decisions. Personally, I think that there should be exceptions for rape and incest because I look at the person, there as a victim of a crime, and if they so choose they ought to have that option.

MR. RUSSERT: But you would outlaw all abortion except in cases of rape, incest...?

SEN. ALLEN: Oh, I don’t think the federal government ought to be making such laws. I think the laws ought to be determined by the people in the states. If South Dakota wants a law like that, they can have that. If South Carolina wants a different law, that’s up to South Carolina or Virginia or California.

MR. RUSSERT: And if a state said unlimited abortion on demand, you would abide by that?

SEN. ALLEN: Well, I don’t agree with that approach.

MR. RUSSERT: But you said states should have the right...

SEN. ALLEN: But the, but the—if a state did that—I can’t imagine too many states or any state having one that allows abortion for all nine months for any reason or no reason at all. But that would be the right of the people of states. And for those—but if a state like South Dakota wants a law like that, even though it’s not exactly what I would think is appropriate, that does reflect the will of the people. This is a representative democracy and I think that’s an appropriate approach.

MR. RUSSERT: That would mean that Roe v. Wade would have to be overturned, which you would support?

SEN. ALLEN: I think Roe v. Wade has been interpreted in such a way that it precludes the rights of the people to decide their laws. When I was governor, we passed the law on parental notification. I think parents ought to be involved if a girl who’s 16, 17 years old...

40 posted on 04/13/2006 12:36:40 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Old_Mil
Accoding to Americans for Better Immigration there are 19 Seantors with better records on immigration. The list:

A
Vitter, David (R-LA) - 94%
Bunning, Jim (R-KY) - 90%
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) - 90%

A-
Chambliss, Saxby (R-GA) - 86%
Shelby, Richard (R-AL) - 86%

B+
Talent, James (R-MO) - 85%
Coburn, Tom (R-OK) - 84%
Inhofe, James (R-OK) - 84%
Roberts, Pat (R-KS) - 84%
Kyl, Jon (R-AZ) - 83%
Thomas, Craig (R-WY) - 82%

B
Burr, Richard (R-NC) - 80%
Grassley, Charles (R-IA) - 79%
Isakson, Johnny (R-GA) - 78%
Crapo, Michael (R-ID) - 73%
DeMint, James (R-SC) - 73%

B-
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC) - 67%
Thune, John (R-SD) - 67%
Craig, Larry (R-ID) - 61%

C+

Allen, George (R-VA) - 58%
Sununu, John (R-NH) - 57%

41 posted on 04/13/2006 12:37:03 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: areafiftyone
SEN. ALLEN: I think Roe v. Wade has been interpreted in such a way that it precludes the rights of the people to decide their laws.

Music to my ears.

Thanks for the post, area51 ... don't think I've ever read that exchange.

42 posted on 04/13/2006 12:44:07 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Old_Mil
Richard Nixon was an ultra-liberal who ran as a conservative. IMHO, he fooled the electorate, particularly Republicans that elected him. The thing of it is is the Republican Party in those days was just starting to get its conservative bearing.

I don't know much about polls and professional politics and so forth. Still, these days, I don't think a Republican has much of a chance if the conservatives all stay home. I like George Allen as I have thought he was (is) a genuine conservative. If his record makes him out to be a liberal, he won't survive an internet backlash. I think he is smart enough to know that. We shall see.

43 posted on 04/13/2006 12:44:59 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Altair333

"He's my favorite of the "realistic" candidates. Tancredo obviously is not going to be elected."

That quote from you was supposed to be in my last post, ie "very reasoned".

Don't understand what happened in my last post, it didn't come out as printed before I clicked "send" ??


44 posted on 04/13/2006 12:45:10 PM PDT by Beagle8U (John McCain, you treasonous bastard)
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To: pgkdan

I heard George Allen address the issue of illegal immigration just last week and he stated that he is opposed to any amnesty>

They all SAY that... they carefully call it "earned citizenship" or a "path to citizenship".

If he will make border enforcement a priority, I just may vote for him.


45 posted on 04/13/2006 12:46:41 PM PDT by Mayflower Sister (DEMOCRAT: THE PARTY OF COWARDS AND TRAITORS, and I almost forgot... BABY KILLERS)
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To: Oliver Optic

He's not up for overturning it completely - he actually wants it to be up to each state. Personally I would probably not vote for him in the primary but if he won the primary and was picked as our nominee I would of course vote for him. I'm not a big fan of George Allen but everyone here knows that. I think he's been built up into something he really isn't by conservatives who seem to want another Ronald Reagan. I loved Reagan but Allen is definitely NO REAGAN. I think if he runs for president he's not going to win. But I will vote for him if he wins the primary. I don't want to waste my vote.


46 posted on 04/13/2006 12:47:55 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
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47 posted on 04/13/2006 12:49:11 PM PDT by be4everfree
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To: areafiftyone; Oliver Optic
He's not up for overturning it completely - he actually wants it to be up to each state.

That's his philosophy on government as a whole. Not just Roe v. Wade.

48 posted on 04/13/2006 12:54:55 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: areafiftyone; Corin Stormhands
He's not up for overturning it completely - he actually wants it to be up to each state.

If he wants it to be up to each state, he's going to have to appoint justices who will overturn Roe.

That's why it was music to my ears.

He's by no means the conservative dream candidate, but right now he looks like the pick of the litter.

49 posted on 04/13/2006 1:06:53 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: quantim

But not only "just" a Senator. He has the further experience of having been a state governor (Virginia) and carrying a name already known by football fans (his father was Hall of Fame Redskins coach George Allen the elder).

And being branded early on as "dim-witted" by Dem'crat opinion shapers puts him in pretty good company, right along with Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, and the Presidents Bush 41 and 43. For you see, being cited as less than the sharpest knife in the drawer by the MSM is tantamont to their admission that you are a heckuva smarter than they are willing to grant. Their codewords.


50 posted on 04/13/2006 1:08:32 PM PDT by alloysteel
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