Posted on 04/15/2006 9:10:41 PM PDT by US admirer
Senior ultra-Orthodox figures in Jerusalem visit 19-year-old man charged with manslaughter over infant's death, say murder is out of question.
Leading ultra-Orthodox judges who visited a 19-year-old Orthodox man charged with manslaughter over the death of his 3-month-old son say they are convinced Israel Valas is not guilty of murder.
"It's impossible that the father would kill his son. If he indeed did it, it's a sign he's sick," Orthodox court vice president Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch told Ynet after visiting Valas.
Jerusalem Riots Orthodox riot over arrest / Ilan Marciano Jerusalem riots: Hundreds of ultra-Orthodox hit streets Thursday evening, attempt to block roads using burning trash cans to protest arrest of haredi man accused of killing infant; organizers: U.S. protests planned Full Story The rabbi visited the detained father along with Rabbi Yitzhak Ulman. The two are considered the ultra-Orthodox court's top judges.
After the meeting, Rabbi Shternbuch said: "We still cannot determine whether he confessed or not. It certainly wasn't a murder. The question is whether this was a case of carelessness or negligence. We'll figure out this matter. We reject the possibility he did it maliciously."
Meanwhile, leading Orthodox figures have been in close touch with police officials, and have demanded Valas' release to house arrest.
"I spoke with the police chief in Jerusalem. I told him that for now we're against the protests. If he was a murderer, than obviously he should not be released for the safety of the public, but that's not the case," Rabbi Shternbuch said.
When asked about biting signs on the infant's body, the rabbi said: "The bite wasn't something that endangered the child."
The infant's grandmother on the mother's side, Liba Weinstock, told Ynet: "It's very difficult for the mother to handle this alone without her husband. They didn't let him out for the Seder…we're certain he's innocent."
The family also says the infant did not receive any treatment for eight hours after being brought to the hospital.
"He arrived at the hospital at 11 p.m. and nobody checked him until 9 a.m. They put all their efforts into investigating what happened and not into taking care of the child," the grandmother said.
However, her testimony comes in direct contradiction to the words of Hadassah Ein Kerem's Intensive Care director Ido Yatsiv.
The director said the infant received immediate treatment after arriving at the hospital unconscious and suffering from hemorrhages in the left side of his face.
"It was clear there was a serious blow, but the direction wasn't clear," Yatsiv said. "At that time the pupils responded to light and there was a bit of spontaneous movement of the hands, but he didn't open his eyes of his own accord and was still unconscious."
On Sunday, a large, official ultra-Orthodox protest is planned to express support for the father. In the past week, leading figures in the Orthodox community have been trying to enlist the support of the entire Orthodox community, and have been meeting with influential rabbis to that end.
If he indeed did it, it's a sign he's sick,">>>
You dont say?
Not to mention all the rioters, who see fit to riot despite that fact that clearly none of them were witnesses to the actual events that led to the death of the baby. Personally, I think all these "ultra-orthodox" are mentally ill. Sane people escape from these cults unless physically restrained from leaving. And in the case of multi-generational cults, what's left is people who probably have a genetic predisposition to insanity, all interbreeding.
Gotta love that logic.
"Nice bunch?" Who is the "bunch" that you broad brush?
Your comments are quite sickening. People choose to practice their religion in the fashion of their choosing.
How does it harm you that a man chooses to wear tzitzit, or chooses to wear a yarmulka? That a woman chooses to dress modestly. This is the mark of a cult? Is wearing a cross the mark of a cult? How do you define "ultra-Orthodox"? Enlighten us...
Your comments are ignorant and hateful, not to mention totally and completely wrong. Oh, and before you ask, I am not "ultra-Orthodox".
Ping!
Confused story. Orthodox accomplices?
There are all sorts of cults populated by mentally unstable fanatics. That has nothing to do with with yarmulkes or modest dress. I'm sure most of the orthodox Jews in Israel did not respond to this news item by going out in the streets to riot over something they had no first-hand knowledge of. In fact most religious Jews are extremely cautious about being sure of all relevant facts before they take action. Islamic cultists riot over third-hand tales of cartoons printed 6 months earlier, thousands of miles away, because some leader tells them to. Jim Jones cultists drank poisoned Kool-Aid on Jim's command. Mormon polygamy cultists instantly accept the "reassignment" of wives of men excommunicated by the tyrannical cult leader. They are ALL mentally ill.
And I don't buy the notion that short-fused rioting is a legitimate way for anyone to "choose to practice their religion".
That wasn't the question, nor was it the issue. The issue was your statement regarding the mental capacity of the "ultra-orthodox" and the "cult" of ultra-orthodoxy. The rioting is a separate issue. Disagreeing with the riots, I, of course, can understand. However, SOME "ultra-orthodox" rioted, not all. Yet your comment broadbrushed ALL those that adhere to Orthodox Judaism.
In a previous post, you compared ALL the ultra-orthodox, to Jim Jones' cult and Mormon polygamists. That is mystifying. Would you compare ALL Christians to David Koresh, or Jim Bakker? That would be ridiculous.
So why do you use such strident and vicious terms to describe "ultra-orthodox" Jews? What axe do you have to grind with them?
Is a Rabbi in San Diego, for example, who dresses conservatively, wearing a suit and tie and a headcovering, insane? Is he part of a cult? Is he part of the "what's left is people who probably have a genetic predisposition to insanity, all interbreeding." That, my fellow FReeper, is totally and completely asinine.
So, I have to ask myself. What would prompt someone to write something so openly hateful of "ultra-orthodox" Jews? And since I don't know you, I have to ask you that question.
Actually, any article from YNet needs a disclaimer, as they are proudly and viciously anti-religious, as our Stormfront posters here on FR fully know.
See here's the thing, Einstein. You blew it. Your defense, claiming that Muslims are broadbrushed, "due to the acts of a few nutjobs", is breathtaking in it's stupidity. Those "few nutjobs" number in the 10's of thousands. Literally thousands of attacks in Israel alone, not to mention the hundreds of attacks all over the world, from Bali to Bangladesh to the US.
The poster made a stupendously ignorant statement. I asked him to back it up, not because I'm "better than everyone else" as you so quaintly put it in your 7th grade vernacular.
A statement roundly condemning ALL "ultra-orthodox" Jews as cultists and in-breds, stems from either, anti-Semitism or self-loathing. So I confront it. If you have a problem with that, frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn. But I, sure as G-d made little green apples, will not simply roll over and die because some yutz has a problem with me confronting some Stormfronter with the intellect of a grapefruit.
I hope that's clear enough for you.
point well taken....enjoyed your "about" page too...
Orthodox Jews are a very different category of people from these insular ultra-orthodox or "haredi" cult groups. I've known many regular orthodox Jews in a variety of capacities, and they all behaved like normal human beings. These paranoid cult groups are an entirely different matter. It seems to be YOU who is assuming that a reference to a bunch of rioters who belong to one of these Jewish cult groups, must be reference to all orthodox Jews. I certainly never said or implied anything of the sort.
Mo`adim lesimchah, HL! Looks like the Nazis are out in force today.
Hey Adolph, your slip is showing.
Hit the nail on the head. Bunch of intolerant zealots akin to the islamic rioters in Europe. They need deprogramming, not an audience.
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