[Polybius]

Well, you see, the crowd that likes the "papers please" approach, they wouldn't be able to get enough of that big government lovin' if we did something as simple as secure our borders.

See Post 77.

When you were on active duty in the Air Force, didn't your Air Force base have BOTH a secured perimeter PLUS a "military ID card, please" policy?

[af_vet_rr]

When you were on active duty in the Air Force, didn't your Air Force base have BOTH a secured perimeter PLUS a "military ID card, please" policy?

As part of my official duties during my time in the AF I visited a few countries that were on the other side of the Iron Curtain - Although we were given carefully "guided" tours, we still saw people who were afraid of a government who could stop them at any time and demand their papers.

Putting that aside, you just hit upon one of the biggest problems with a national ID - we got a Congress and a President telling us that we need what will become a national ID, meanwhile they don't care about securing the border, or they do a half-assed job, and not only that, but they are basically granting amnesty to people who flout the border.

We already have laws on the books dealing with illegal aliens - unfortunately the government would rather impose its will upon you, I, and other law-abiding citizens, rather than harshly deal with the criminals and those who hire them.