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1 posted on 04/17/2006 5:46:21 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

put me down in the poorer part. since in my profession, I now have to compete with people in china and india - my salary growth is down the drain, I'm lucky to be able to keep my job frankly.


2 posted on 04/17/2006 5:49:32 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: SirLinksalot
But alot of dumb, lazy and uneducated people are going to be left behind. Waaaaahhhh!
3 posted on 04/17/2006 5:54:47 PM PDT by Now_is_The_Time (Make yourself valuable.)
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To: SirLinksalot

"Why was this capital invested here in the first place? The reason is that ~~~*property rights in the U.S. are secure,*~~~ taxes are reasonably low and predictable, corruption is minimal, and American workers are well trained and hard-working."

I take exception to the statement that our property rights are secure...the US Supreme court has gone a long way of putting the lie to that statement!


4 posted on 04/17/2006 5:55:10 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Wear Red on Fridays to support the troops!!)
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To: SirLinksalot
Lou Dobbs has proclaimed himself champion of the middle class. The GDP may be growing, but the median income have been declining, while insurance, healthcare and education costs continue to rise.

My friend had a very rude shock last week. In business for herself, she found that she owed additional taxes for the last quarter under the alternative minimum tax (AMT) law - which has apparently been unsuspended for 2006. She makes well under $100K!!! She thought some mistake had been made, but not so!

And our own Repub congress isn't looking to cut THIS new (for the middle class) tax anytime soon! This is a direct assault on the middle class, sole proprietors and small business people.

5 posted on 04/17/2006 5:56:36 PM PDT by ziggygrey
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To: SirLinksalot

If one disdains markets, rails against the excesses of capitalism, prefers regulation from the state that stymies competition & growth in order to protect the consumer from being duped into 'unwise' value-purchasing decisions, watches CNN programming to get 'energized' and motivated to stop the skies from falling and, above all else, thinks that Senator Schumer makes a whole lot of sense on economic issues, then maybe the "conservative" label fits one all to well...conservative like 18th century Tories, that is!


7 posted on 04/17/2006 6:03:22 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: SirLinksalot
NY.started outsourcing business years ago.Upstate NY 30 years ago had so many companies of good stature.The Mohawk Valley is the example I will use due to the familiarity of the situation.Chicago Pneumatic,Remington Rand,Sears,just to name a few.They were driven out because the state and local politicians bleed them dry.The only big company left is the Remington Rifle company,and they are limping.Having many friends employed there,they say it is pretty dismal.To have these politicians stand there and say things will get better is laughable.NY.is a beautiful state but as far as business is concerned,you will be wasting your time.Where Remington Arms is located,ILION,NY,it took three years for a credit union to relocate three blocks away due to the Govt.getting their cut.From the EPA,all the way down to the local level.Then they have the nerve to cry about no jobs.Anyone who is considering opening a business there is out of their mind.Unless they have money to burn.
9 posted on 04/17/2006 6:15:22 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: SirLinksalot
Mr. Bordreax should remember that foreign capital invested in the US serves either to provide interest or to purchase American industries.
Our trade deficit= foreign investments in America. This isn't expansion, but debt for Americans. We are selling our means of production and research to finance cheap foreign consumer goods. Individual families are falling further into debt.
Paul Craig Roberts is an idiot on foreign affairs and has become unhinged in relation to the Bush administration, but he is quite right on economics.
11 posted on 04/17/2006 6:26:48 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Dobbs should quit faking it and either run for office or Geraldo's old job.


12 posted on 04/17/2006 6:30:38 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: SirLinksalot

TechCentralStation is the absolute worst of the so called "conservative" web sites, worse than the WSJ op ed pages, worse than the Weekly Standard. The pundits have around a room temperature IQ it seems, just throwing down a bunch of cheap slogans.

That anyone can defend todays version of "free" trade, how it is practiced, how it is stripping the wealth and technological advantage of the US to other nations that are hostile to the US, how it is taking the US own economic destiny out of her hands, how "free" trade along with near unlimited immigration is going to turn the US into a poor copy of a European social democracy, just is beyond me.


18 posted on 04/17/2006 7:10:15 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy; expat_panama

A good read with some interesting responses.


24 posted on 04/17/2006 7:29:08 PM PDT by Mase
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Economic and history do not change because the 21st Century equivalent of the Flint Lock Musket Manufacturers do not like the current reality.

There is NO rational reason to enslave American Consumers to defective, inefficient overpriced goods just to sooth the xenophobia of the Buchannites. All the nonsense about "sensitive military technology" is pure BS. The Military uses technology LONG beyond when the market does. They have to keep supply lines open for replacement parts on OLD technology. Some how the Protectionists have spun this Dept of the Military into a whole mythology about how we are shipping our Technological edge over seas. NO we are not.

Protectionism works in an INDUSTRIALIZING society like China or India where they have huge internal unmet economic demand. You can subsides you industry and cover the economic costs of Portectionims by the exploitation of the unmet demand in your economy. Protectionist polices are a disaster when ever tried in an mature economy. They simply protect inefficient or failed businesses from competition. All Protectionists do is enslave the consumer to corrupt unions, inefficient management and shoddy goods.

The Protectionists either need learn to live with the realities of Capitalism or admit their is NOTHING at all "Conservative" about their world view. The only difference between the Roberites and the Moveon.org Leftists is what they would use Big Govt to do.

34 posted on 04/17/2006 7:50:01 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party. For those who value slogans over solutions.)
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To: RFT1
Spare me the projection. Simply screaming names at your opponents doesn't change the facts. The Big Govt Statists here are the Economic Fingers preaching the Protectionist Platitudes to rationalize their inability to evolve.

It's called Capitalism. Time for those Freepers who spend all their time ranting about Economics to actually take some basic Econ course. Manufactured data, rationalizations and sloganeering may make the Protectionist feel better about themselves, it does NOT change the facts. There are winners and loser in the Economy. The trick is to evolve with it, not cling to a failed past screaming for someone in Govt to ride to your rescue like the Protectionist demand

37 posted on 04/17/2006 7:56:59 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party. For those who value slogans over solutions.)
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To: rcocean
We have had this conversation before. Manufactured data put together by Advocacy groups is NOT fact or scholarship. It's propaganda. What does NOT change is the historical Economic records. Protectionism did not work in the 1930s, did not work for the Sovs. Does not work for the North Koreans. It is failed dogma with such a long record of failure that no amount of manufactured factoids from dubious propaganda sources will change that economic and historical reality. Both sides of this argument present data. Since both cannot be true, which is correct? 4.7% Unemployment, best sustained economic growth rates since the 1980s, highest levels of new home owners etc etc etc demonstrate the Chicken Little squealing of the Protectionist is nonsense.

Simply screaming "you cannot trust Govt figures" as the Protectionists do to drown out reality does not change their propaganda into fact.

49 posted on 04/17/2006 8:17:29 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party. For those who value slogans over solutions.)
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To: rcocean
Using manufactured statistic to lie is still a lie. The historical record does not change. Protectionist "DATA" is a compilation of out of context examples, Anecdotal evidence,half truths and knowing misstatements. Simply reposting it more times does not change the lies to truths
73 posted on 04/17/2006 9:18:14 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party. For those who value slogans over solutions.)
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To: SirLinksalot
And this employing of workers is done by creating capital in those places.

entrepreneurs sweep in and create new capital, capital that never before existed

I'm dumb and I never took an economics course. Someone please tell me what it means to "create capital" and what "capital formation" is.

87 posted on 04/17/2006 10:26:08 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: SirLinksalot; albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; Americanwolfsbrother; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; ..
To stop free trade (ie limit the actions of free people) you need expansive government.





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102 posted on 04/18/2006 8:34:23 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: SirLinksalot
There is no such thing as "free trade"! All major trading
nations impose tariffs upon imports, including the U. S.
103 posted on 04/18/2006 9:12:41 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: SirLinksalot

Poll to freep:

Do you believe Congress should first demand that our borders and ports be secured before taking up immigration reform?

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/


129 posted on 04/18/2006 2:29:05 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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Great post!

Then again, every job I have ever had has been created by free trade.

Better a Hyundai that runs than a Ford thats in the shop every week. To say nothing of the fact that the latter company now builds Sonatas in Kentucky.

158 posted on 04/19/2006 12:49:13 PM PDT by Clemenza (Amor de mi Vida, Donde Estas?)
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To: SirLinksalot

Yea, and the real world adjusted for inflation income of the typical worker continues to decline... Only reason incomes household wise have increased is because now most are 2 vs 1 income households...and even with this, it is only BARELY grown over 1970...

Keep up this free trade crap and the only way households will break even will be by making Bigamy and Polygamy legal.


184 posted on 04/20/2006 8:40:39 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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