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Maine Killings Raise Vigilantism Fears(two sex offenders killed)
http://www.comcast.net ^ | 4 18 06 | GLENN ADAMS

Posted on 04/18/2006 11:58:39 AM PDT by freepatriot32

CORINTH, Maine - The Maine Department of Public Safety has no plans to change the state's Web-based sex offender registry despite the killings of two sex offenders whose addresses were apparently obtained online.

A Canadian man used the registry to obtain personal information about the victims, authorities said, renewing fears that such lists expose ex-convicts to vigilante violence.

"The events of the weekend will obviously be reviewed, but there are no plans to change the Web site at this point," Stephen McCausland, Maine Public Safety spokesman, said Monday.

The gunman, Stephen A. Marshall, a 20-year-old from Nova Scotia's Cape Breton, committed suicide Sunday night in Boston after being confronted aboard a bus by police.

Investigators were uncertain what relationship, if any, Marshall had with the victims, who lived 25 miles apart.

But the two men were among 34 names in five towns Marshall had looked up on the Web site, McCausland said. Investigators said Marshall typed in his name to receive extra information online, including street addresses.

The Web site was disabled while police searched for Marshall but was restored Monday afternoon.

All states have sex offender registries designed to let people know of child molesters and other sex offenders in their midst, and almost all post the information online.

Maine's registry has the names of more than 2,200 sex offenders. It contains such information as the offender's name, address, date of birth, identifying characteristics and place of employment, as well as a photograph.

The killings added to a growing unease with such Web sites. Jack King from the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers in Washington said making public sex offenders' addresses can be an invitation to violence.

Harassment, vandalism, assaults and even killings of sex offenders have been reported from coast to coast.

"There are going to be crazy people out there," King said. "And there's going to be vigilantism."

After New Jersey passed a public disclosure law on sex offenders in the 1990s, the brother of an offender was nearly beaten to death with a baseball bat when he was mistaken for his brother, King said.

In New Hampshire, Lawrence Trant went to prison after pleading guilty to the attempted murder of two convicted sex offenders whose names and addresses he found on an Internet registry.

A sex offender Web site in Washington state was cited in the slayings of two convicted child rapists last summer. Michael Anthony Mullen, 35, pleaded guilty to murder and was sentenced to more than 44 years in prison.

The registered sex offenders shot to death in Maine were Joseph Gray, 57, of Milo, and William Elliott, 24, of Corinth.

Gray had moved to Maine after a Massachusetts conviction for sexual assault on a child under 14, McCausland said. Elliott was convicted of having sex with an underage girl, he said.

When he shot himself, Marshall had with him a laptop computer and two handguns, said Dave Procopio, spokesman for the Suffolk County, Mass., District Attorney's Office.

Marshall had come to Houlton, Maine, to visit his father, authorities said.

Police tracked Marshall to Boston after finding his father's pickup abandoned in Bangor along with a rifle. They also discovered bullets hidden in a bus stop restroom that were of the same caliber as one of his father's handguns.

Ralph Marshall told reporters his son didn't appear troubled and never said he had been sexually abused.

Gray and Elliott were shot about five hours apart Sunday morning. Neither appeared to have caused a stir recently.

Gray and his wife moved a couple of years ago from Massachusetts to Milo, said Kenny Hudak, a local police sergeant.

In Corinth, residents were alerted when Elliott moved into a trailer in the woods. The property was covered with trash, tires and at least a dozen junked vehicles.

"I think more people were concerned about the mess than him being a sex offender," said Mary Hadley, who lives across the road.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: banglist; corinth; deathcultivation; donutwatch; dps; fears; govwatch; killings; maine; raise; sexoffenders; vigilantism

1 posted on 04/18/2006 11:58:43 AM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32
Maine State Trooper Dave Yankowsky, left, and detective Jay Pelletier search the driveway of slain sex offender Joseph L. Gray, 57, in Milo, Maine on Monday, April 17, 2006. Gray and another sex offender, William Elliott, 24, of Corinth, were found shot to death in separate incidents on Sunday. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
2 posted on 04/18/2006 11:59:35 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

Darn it.. Another Canadian Illegal doing the job that American judges won't do...


3 posted on 04/18/2006 12:04:14 PM PDT by kingu
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To: freepatriot32

Hate it when that happens.


4 posted on 04/18/2006 12:06:13 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: freepatriot32

"Maine Killings Raise Vigilantism Fears"

Tell me... When your children are on the way to school do we "FEAR" vigilanies or Child sex preditors? No wonder people stop reading the papers.


5 posted on 04/18/2006 12:08:00 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: freepatriot32

Less Child molesters, less crime.

The problem is, they should have been executed, not turned loose.

This guy simply did a job that American Justice won't do.


6 posted on 04/18/2006 12:08:32 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: freepatriot32

"There are going to be crazy people out there," King said.


Yeah like everyone on the sex offender list.


7 posted on 04/18/2006 12:08:35 PM PDT by lakeman (when a marine kills the only thing he feels is the recoil of his rifle)
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To: kingu

Well, its a good start anyway. Wouldn't it be nice if they made this a trend - one for one, illegals and perverts? I wouldn't know who to root for...


8 posted on 04/18/2006 12:09:02 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: freepatriot32
WIlliam Elliot 24, The only problem I have with sex offender registry is this 24 year old might have been 18 at the time having sex with a 17 year old girl. He would still end up on the sex offender registry if convicted, even if the sex was concentual.

So when you see very high numbers in areas, alot are teens that got caught.

9 posted on 04/18/2006 12:15:48 PM PDT by TonyWojo
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To: freepatriot32

Gee that's a real shame pedophiles dead and all.

Oh well, we have to carry on somehow...


10 posted on 04/18/2006 12:16:07 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

I don't shed any tears for the sex offenders, but the big risk here is the possibility of mistaken identity--happens often enough that the police get the wrong guy, and they're presumably better trained in investigative techniques than your average Joe Sixpack. Hate for an innocent person to get whacked because some data entry operator keyed in the wrong address in a database.


11 posted on 04/18/2006 12:17:41 PM PDT by kms61
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To: SheLion

is this anywhere near you ?


12 posted on 04/18/2006 12:20:10 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: lakeman

The Canadian was probably a victim of this type of scum.


13 posted on 04/18/2006 12:20:59 PM PDT by stumpy
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One of the victims, Elliott, was convicted of having consentual sex with a girl less than a month away from the age of consent. He was 19 at the time. He was hardly a predator type. That is the problem with the registry in Maine, there is no way to differentiate between the real predators and those who, like Elliott, used poor judgment. There is no suggestion that he was considered an ongoing threat.


14 posted on 04/18/2006 12:21:58 PM PDT by Rocket1968 (Durbin must resign - NOW!)
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To: kms61

I agree entirely, I don't think citizens as individuals should be doing this kind of justice normally. But face it, when the government won't do it's job, someone has to.

Anyone who molests a child and is found guilty of it in a court of law, needs to be executed, and that within 48 hours of his/her conviction.


15 posted on 04/18/2006 12:21:59 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: freepatriot32

It seems to me that the best way to curb vigilantism would be to keep the rapists locked away.


16 posted on 04/18/2006 12:22:26 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (We Acadiens have nothing to do with Québec)
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To: Walkingfeather
Tell me... When your children are on the way to school do we "FEAR" vigilanies or Child sex preditors?

Now, THAT'S a damn good question. Puts it right into perspective.

Thanks!

17 posted on 04/18/2006 12:24:22 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: kingu

give him an H1b visa. he's got "skills".


18 posted on 04/18/2006 12:24:44 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (they love you in Mexico until you pay in pesos.)
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To: Rakkasan1

He's dead


19 posted on 04/18/2006 12:31:32 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Abathar
Amen Abathar!

Could the following be applied to the judiciary?

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

20 posted on 04/18/2006 12:31:39 PM PDT by takeemout (God Bless Jesse Helms!)
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To: freepatriot32
The database shouldn't change because of one act by a foreign nut job. In CA the best we can get is a block location.

I've actually seen in the CA database one child molester that was listed as living across from a public school and park. How that happened I have no idea.

21 posted on 04/18/2006 12:38:40 PM PDT by newzjunkey (America for Americans: No amnesty.)
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To: Rocket1968
One of the victims, Elliott, was convicted of having consentual sex with a girl less than a month away from the age of consent. He was 19 at the time. He was hardly a predator type. That is the problem with the registry in Maine, there is no way to differentiate between the real predators and those who, like Elliott, used poor judgment. There is no suggestion that he was considered an ongoing threat.

Common sense died when political correctness came into vogue. Can't have some sex offenders "profiled" as being worse now, can we????

22 posted on 04/18/2006 12:41:43 PM PDT by PLK
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To: Rocket1968

There was a story reported here on FR about a senior citizen in IL who was going to have to be listed as a sex offender because he simply grabbed a girl by the arm. She rode into the street on her bicycle and laughed at him when he almost ran into her. He was so mad he got out and grabbed her arm to yell at her. This brat goes screaming to her parents who then had the man arrested and the state said he should be on the sex offender list. How absurd. So there is a chance that guys who are not rapists/abusers could be victimized.


23 posted on 04/18/2006 12:45:18 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: freepatriot32

This is the funeral that crazy Baptist bastid should be taking his people too. Not the funerals of soldiers.


24 posted on 04/18/2006 12:48:54 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: freepatriot32

I assume that most of those actually fearing vigilantism are on the offender list.


25 posted on 04/18/2006 12:58:45 PM PDT by dmz
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To: TNCMAXQ
There was a story reported here on FR about a senior citizen in IL who was going to have to be listed as a sex offender because he simply grabbed a girl by the arm.

Do you have al ink to that story ?

26 posted on 04/18/2006 1:06:32 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32
There would be no need for either vigilantes or sex offender lists if the Judges and the Legislatures would do their jobs and pass a habitual sex offender law.

Three strikes and its life, or by prisoner agreement: optional castration.

27 posted on 04/18/2006 1:09:35 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: TNCMAXQ
nevermind i found it your right it is ridiculous

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1434655/posts

28 posted on 04/18/2006 1:10:16 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

Says he was 28. I was mistaken, I thought he was older. In any case it is pretty scary to see how the law can victimize people who have not really committed a crime but somehow dangerous scumbags get treated very lightly in many cases.


29 posted on 04/18/2006 1:17:49 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: freepatriot32
National Sex Offender Registry
30 posted on 04/18/2006 1:23:33 PM PDT by holymoly (Dick DeVos for MI Governor: http://www.devosforgovernor.com/)
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To: dmz
I assume that most of those actually fearing vigilantism are on the offender list.

And I assume that most of those actually supporting vigilantism are on the offender list.

31 posted on 04/18/2006 1:26:44 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Candor7
Three strikes and its life

If it has to do with a child (not a consensual teenager thing) then I think ONE time is enough.

32 posted on 04/18/2006 1:29:56 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: TonyWojo

That's acually what happened. He was 19, with a 17 year old girlfriend. Five years later he's still a registered sex offender.


33 posted on 04/18/2006 1:32:43 PM PDT by Hoodlum91 (Tour guide goddess)
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To: Rocket1968

In Massachusetts, if a guy got cited for relieving himself on the side of a road he had to register as a sex offender.

I'm not sure if they've closed that loophole yet.


34 posted on 04/18/2006 1:34:22 PM PDT by Hoodlum91 (Tour guide goddess)
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To: kingu

brilliant comment!


35 posted on 04/18/2006 1:39:00 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: TXBubba
Three strikes and its life If it has to do with a child (not a consensual teenager thing) then I think ONE time is enough.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Agreed.

But I like baseball.( LOL)

36 posted on 04/18/2006 1:48:21 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Candor7

No offense to baseball intended.


37 posted on 04/18/2006 1:53:02 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: PLK

Good point.

We've a new criminal name: "Sex Offender" and we hear, like on this thread, all sex offenders should be killed, when the label applies to flashers, people like Elliot and serial child-rapist murderers.

We should go back to the older method and label the criminal with the actual crime.


38 posted on 04/18/2006 2:10:25 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: freepatriot32
This didn't happen near Shelion. She lives up Caribou way.


The loon from Canada seems to have done us all a favor. The local papers haven't said why the older"victim" was on the list. It probably wouldn't look so good.
39 posted on 04/18/2006 3:10:39 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: freepatriot32
BAN THE LAPTOP! Or at least require a ten day waiting period and proof that you're not a sexual pervert or wish to kill a sexual pervert....
40 posted on 04/18/2006 4:40:07 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I said: I assume that most of those actually fearing vigilantism are on the offender list.

You said: And I assume that most of those actually supporting vigilantism are on the offender list.
____________

Am I missing the punch line?

Wouldn't the hunted (those on the offender list) fear vigilantes and tend not to suppport those who hunt them?

Am I going to groan at your reply?


41 posted on 04/19/2006 5:32:38 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

Those who advocate illegal activities of one type are often engaged in various types of illegalities. One can have rule of law or a rule of outlaws. Vigilantism is rule of outlaws.


42 posted on 04/19/2006 5:59:47 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Those who advocate illegal activities of one type are often engaged in various types of illegalities. One can have rule of law or a rule of outlaws. Vigilantism is rule of outlaws.
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gotcha. you are taking the wider view. I was going narrow, that the hunted would fear the hunter.


43 posted on 04/19/2006 6:02:27 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Abathar

Maybe grant illegals amnesty and citizenship if they can prove they eliminated 10 predators each, learned english, filed all paperwork properly, etc.


44 posted on 04/19/2006 6:45:03 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: kms61

Better trained, yeah right. Just like the ATF are trained to recognize a gun when they see it, yet the assault the kid dressed like a ninja at the University of Georgia and it turns out he doesn't have a gun (as he claimed the whole time they were assaulting him).


45 posted on 04/19/2006 6:48:42 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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