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Farewell remarks at the U.S. Naval Institute-General Anthony C. Zinni (Long read)
RCACA ^ | March 2000 | Anthony C. Zinni

Posted on 04/18/2006 1:00:51 PM PDT by managusta

I joined the Marines in 1961, so it's been 39 years. My retirement date is 1 September, but I plan to step down and go on terminal leave in July. I'd like to talk about who we were--the military generations who went through the past four decades, from the 1960s up to the new millennium.

If you looked at a snapshot taken when I first came into the service, all the generals looked the same--older white males with Anglo-Saxon names and Southern drawls--despite the fact that the troops they led came from lots of different places. Let's just say that the generals didn't speak Philadelphia the way I speak Philadelphia.

But things were changing in the 1960s. Marine Corps officers were still coming in from the service academies and military institutes, but more and more were coming in from Catholic colleges in the Northeast (like I did), from state colleges and universities around the nation, and from other schools with strong NROTC units or other strong military traditions.

At the same time, we were seeing people coming up through the enlisted ranks to become officers--not just the old mustangs or limited-duty officers with mid-grade terminal ranks, but quality people we would send to school as an investment in the future of the Corps. Back then, whatever our various backgrounds, we all came into the service with a code--something imprinted on each of us by family, school, or church.

In my case, nuns and Augustinian priests had drilled one into my head. Those who had come from military schools received the imprint from their officers. One way or another, all of us were programmed to believe that what we were doing was not a job; not even a profession; but a calling.

For me, joining the Marines was the closest thing to becoming a priest. Certainly, I took a vow of poverty when 1 joined the Corps, although I stopped short of taking a vow of celibacy. Lately, though, it seems as though we have been driven more and more toward a "warrior monk" ethic, and 1 just wish that we'd start spending as much time on the warrior part as we seem to be spending on the monk part.

Perhaps part of the move toward monkishness is prompted by the realisation that the young people today don't seem to be coming into the service with that code imprinted. It's not necessarily their fault, but the code is not there. Until recently, our recruit depots, officer candidate schools, and other institutions responsible for socialising recruits and new officers have operated on the assumption that the code was there, imprinted beforehand. So now we have to regroup.

A lot of things affected my generation over the years. In addition to having good genes and DNA, those who did well also seemed to have come from families that functioned normally, as opposed to the dysfunctional ones seen so often today. We also grew up in school systems that actually taught us something and imprinted us with that code, which helped move us along the path toward being useful citizens.

And for most of us, our religious upbringing gave us an acceptance of a Higher Being in one form or another, at the core of our beliefs.

We also were shaped by events. Some were our legacy; some were events we actually lived through. One of the biggest was World War II, which has proved to be both a blessing and a curse to my generation. The blessing was that it preserved our freedoms and our way of life and lifted us out of a severe depression on a wave of prosperity and moved us into a role of world leadership.

The curse is that it was the last Good War--with moral clarity, an easily identified and demonized enemy, unprecedented national unity in mobilisation and rationing, pride in those who served in uniform shown by blue-star flags hung by the families of those who fought and gold-star flags by the families of those who died, and welcome-home victory parades for those lucky enough to return home from overseas. Every war should be fought like that.

Our family military tradition in America started with my father, who was drafted to fight in World War I--the War to End all Wars--shortly after he arrived here as an immigrant from Italy. He got here and he was drafted. When 1 looked into it, I found that 12% of America's infantrymen in World War I were Italian immigrants.

And they were rewarded for their wartime service to their new homeland. My father loved the Army for the relatively short time he served in it--and along with his discharge papers he received his citizenship papers. He came out of the war as a full-fledged citizen of the United States. Just imagine what that meant to him!

During and after World War II, I learned about war at the knees of my uncles and cousins, who fought at the Battle of the Bulge in Europe and all over the Pacific--on the ground and in the air. A few years later, my older brother was drafted and fought in Korea. Their war stories were remarkable: sometimes gory and horrible, but always positive in the end.

It was like winning the Big Game against your arch rival--always clean and always good. So this was my generation's legacy: World War II was the way you fight a war. And all throughout our four decades of service, this notion kept getting reinforced. Former Secretary of Defense Cap Weinberger's famous statement of doctrine is a recipe for re-fighting World War II--not for fighting the operations other than war (OOTW) that we face today.

In fact, if you read the Weinberger Doctrine and adhere to every one of its tenets, you will be able to fight no war other than World War II.

I've been attending all the World War II 50th anniversary and follow-up celebrations in Florida, where I live and work, and sometimes it is unnerving to face the old veterans who look at me and seem to be saying, "How in hell did you screw it up? We had it right and we did it right and we fought and we understood and we did all this... It's hard to escape the feeling: God--I've let them down, because the second major event that affected us was the Vietnam War--our nation's longest and least satisfactory.

It was my second-lieutenant experience, and I wondered at the time just what in hell our generals--my heroes who fought in World War II--thought they were doing. Those of us who were platoon commanders and company commanders fought hard, but never could understand what our most senior leaders were doing.

The tactics didn't make sense and the personnel policies--one-year individual rotations instead of unit rotations in and out of country--were hard to comprehend. In time, we lost faith in our senior leadership.

Today, of course, we are seeing a stream of apologetic books by the policy makers of that era--as though saying mea culpa enough will absolve them of the terrible responsibility they still bear.

Beyond all his other shortcomings, I'll remember--as an infantryman--former Secretary of Defense Robert Strange McNamara for one indelible thing: he decided that all services should have a common combat boot.

Further, he decreed that to economize there would be no half sizes. So I had to wear size 10 boots instead of 9, my regular size. My feet are still screwed up to this day, thanks to Robert Strange McNamara. And that just about symbolizes the leadership we had back then.

The third thing that affected my generation was the Cold War--which actually was a 40-year attempt to re-fight World War II, if ever the need arose. Once again, we were energised to engage in global conflict against the evil Red Menace.

Problem was that we never could figure just how this particular war would actually start. After playing a bazillion war games at the Naval War College and other places, I still could not come up with a logical or convincing way such a war would kick off.

It was just too hard to show why the Soviets would want to conquer a burning, devastated Europe, or how that could possibly benefit the Communists in any way. So we would just gloss over the way the miserable war got started, jump into the middle of things, and play on. Deep down inside, I don't think many of us really believed it was going to happen.

To be sure, there probably were some armor or armored cavalry folks with not much to do in Vietnam who sought to patrol the Czech border, in the belief that World War III would erupt there. But that's not where my life was focused at the time.

The Cold War was ever present, and it was great for justifying programs, systems, and force structure--but no one seriously believed that it would actually happen. Still, it drove things. It drove the way we thought; it drove the way we organised and equipped; and it drove the way we developed our concepts of fighting.

Then suddenly, at the end of the 1980s, the Berlin Wall came down, the Evil Empire collapsed, and we found ourselves in the post-Cold War period. It would require a major adjustment. 1 was serving in the European Command when the Wall came down so quickly and unexpectedly--and in turn, we drew down too quickly, in the worst possible way.

On the way down, we broke a lot of china, in the form of contracts with U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines--and in particular the soldiers. We drew down our Army too far, almost ripping it apart in the process--ten divisions is just too low a force level--I'm here to tell you.

In addition, we have let manning levels sink way too low, not understanding that the post-Cold War would bring more chaos instead of a smooth transition to world peace. Not fully understanding the Cold War force structure we were drawing down--and the kind of structure we would need for the post-Cold War period, we have been drawing down to a mini-version of the Cold War force. Today's high-demand, low-density units are paying the price for those decisions. Let's admit it--we've screwed up again.

The next influential event was Desert Storm, which, as far as I am concerned, was an aberration. It seemed to work out okay for us, but ultimately it may be an aberration, because it may have left the impression that the terrible mess that awaits us abroad--to be dealt with by peacekeeping or humanitarian operations or coercive diplomacy, for some--can somehow be overcome by good, clean soldiering, just like in World War II.

In reality, though, the only reason Desert Storm worked was because we managed to go up against the only jerk on the planet who actually was stupid enough to confront us symmetrically--with less of everything, including the moral right to do what he did to Kuwait.

In the high-and top-level war colleges we still fight this type of adversary, so we always can win. I rebelled at this notion, thinking there would be nowhere out there so stupid to fight us that way. But then along came Saddam Hussein, and "good soldiering" was vindicated once again.

Worse yet, the end of any conflict often brings into professional circles the heartfelt belief that "Now that the war is over, we can get back to real soldiering." So we merrily backtrack in that direction. Scary, isn't it? Still trying to fight our kind of war--be it World War II or Desert Storm--we ignore the real warfighting requirements of today.

We want to fight the Navy-Marine Corps Operational Maneuver from the Sea; we want to fight the Army-Air Force AirLand Battle. We want to find a real adversarial demon--a composite of Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini--so we can drive on to his capital city and crush him there. Unconditional surrender.

Then we'll put in place a Marshall Plan, embrace the long-suffering vanquished, and help them regain entry into the community of nations. Everybody wants to do that. As a retiring CinC, I would love to do that somewhere before I step down--just find somebody for me! But it ain't gonna happen.

Today, I am stuck with the likes of a wiser Saddam Hussein and a still-elusive Osama Bin Laden--just a couple of those charmers out there who will no longer take us on in a symmetric force match-up.

And we're going to be doing things like humanitarian operations, consequence management, peacekeeping, and peace enforcement. Somewhere along the line, we'll have to respond to some kind of environmental disaster. And somewhere else along the line we may get stuck with putting a U.S. battalion in place on the Golan Heights, embedded in a weird, screwed-up chain of command.

And do you know what? We're going to bitch and moan about it. We're going to dust off the Weinberger Doctrine and the Powell Doctrine and throw them in the face of our civilian leadership.

But at the same time, there's the President, thinking out loud in a recent meeting and saying, "Why can't we ever drive a stake through the hearts of any of these guys? I look at Kim Jong Il; I look at Milosovic; I look at Saddam Hussein.

Ever since the end of World War II, why haven't we been able to find a way to do this?" The answer, of course, is that you must have the political will--and that means the will of the administration, the Congress, and the American people. All must be united in a desire for action.

Instead, however, we try to get results on the cheap. There are congressmen today who want to fund the Iraqi Liberation Act, and let some silk-suited, Rolex-wearing guys in London gin up an expedition. We'll equip a thousand fighters and arm them with $97 million worth of AK-47s and insert them into Iraq. And what will we have? A Bay of Goats, most likely. That's what can happen when we do things on the cheap.

But why can't we muster the necessary political will to do things right? It goes back to cost-benefit analysis, especially in terms of potential casualties. Nobody in his right mind can justify the possible human cost and the uncertain aftermath of strong military action.

The bombings at Beirut and the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia and the debacle in Mogadishu have affected us in bad ways--making us gun-shy to an extreme degree. But every time I testify at congressional hearings, I try to make the point that there is no way to guarantee 100% force protection while accomplishing the variety of missions we undertake out there.

Somewhere, sometime, we are going to lose people again--to terrorist or other actions that take advantage of our own less-than-perfect protective measures.

For example, I have more than 600 security-assistance people working throughout the Central Command's area of responsibility. Some of the detachments are quite small--in twos and threes. They live in hotels and try to keep low profiles. Their mission is to work with host-country military organisations and try to improve them. They travel a lot. They get targeted; they get stalked; they can get hit.

If anyone really wants to take them out, they can and they will. And, you know, we are going to see it happen some day. The only way to stop it from happening is to shut down all our activities overseas, if we want 100% security for all our deployed people. But 100% definitely seems to be what more and more people want these days, as we send our people into operations other than war. These OOTW are our future, as far as I am concerned.

But in a sense, it's going to be back to the future, because today's international landscape has some strong similarities to the Caribbean region of the 1920s and 1930s--unstable countries being driven by uncaring dictators to the point of collapse and total failure.

We are going to see more crippled states and failed states that look like Somalia and Afghanistan--and are just as dangerous. And more and more U.S. military men and women are gong to be involved in vague, confusing military actions--heavily overlaid with political, humanitarian, and economic considerations

And representing the United States--the Big Guy with the most formidable presence in the area--they will have to deal with each messy situation and pull everything together. We're going to see more and more of that.

My generation has not been well prepared for this future, because we resisted the idea. We even had an earlier Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who said, "Real men don't do OOTW."

That just about says it all. Any Army commander worth his salt wanted to take his unit to the National Training Center and any Marine commander would want to go to the Marine Air-Ground Training Center for live-fire maneuver and combined-arms work, rather than stay on their bases and confront a bunch of troops in civilian clothes, throwing water balloons and playing the role of angry overseas mobs. It just goes against the grain to have to train our people that way.

Going beyond these events, what other things have affected my military generation? There have been trends in law and policy making that have had a profound effect. The National Security Act of 1947, for example, set up the most dysfunctional, worst organisational approach to military affairs I could possibly imagine.

In a near-perfect example of the Law of Unintended Consequences, it created a situation in which the biggest rival of any U. S. armed service is not a foreign adversary but another one of its sister U.S. services. We teach our ensigns and second lieutenants to recognize that sister service as the enemy. It wants our money; it wants our force structure; it wants our recruits.

So we rope ourselves into a system where we fight each other for money, programs, and weapon systems. We try to out-doctrine each other, by putting pedantic little anal apertures to work in doctrine centers, trying to find ways to ace out the other services and become the dominant service in some way.

These people come to me and the other CinCs and ask, "What's more important to you--air power or ground power?" Incredible! Just think about it.

My Uncle Guido is a plumber. If I went to him and asked, "What's more important to you--a wrench or a screwdriver," he'd think I'd lost my marbles. The real way this stuff gets worked out is not in the doctrine centers but out in the field. The joint commands and the component commanders can figure things out because we're the warfighters.

We have to work things out, so we actually do. We could not produce a joint fire-support doctrine out of Washington or the doctrine centers to save our ass. But we can produce one in the Central Command, or in the Pacific Command or European Command or any joint task force we create.

They can produce one in a heartbeat--and they have. We can make a JFACC work. We can make a land-component command arrangement work. There will be no more occasions in the Central Command's area of operations where the Marines fight one ground war and the Army fights a different ground war. There will be one ground war and a single land component commander.

But we've been brutalized in the process. We've had to be pushed into co-operating with each other by legislation. And those of us who have seen the light and actually put on joint "purple" uniforms--we've never been welcomed back to our parent services.

We have become the Bad Guys. The only thing we are trusted to do is to take your sons and daughters to war and figure out ways to bring them back safely. Virulent inter-service rivalry still exists--and it's going to kill us if we don't find a better way to do business.

Goldwater-Nichols is not the panacea everybody thinks it is. I'm here to tell you that it did not increase the powers of the CinCs--not one bit. A CinC still owns nothing. I own no resources and no assigned forces. All I get is geography and responsibility. And the CinCs have to go up the chain of command through the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

For more than a quarter-century, we have been operating with an All-Volunteer Force--and the American people tend to forget that, until the volunteers stop showing up and re-enlisting.

And that's what is wrong right now. But the troops are not getting out because they're deployed too long and too often. I will bet anyone that the forward-deployed units--the carrier battle groups, the Marine expeditionary units, the air expeditionary forces and wings--have the highest retention rates.

So what does that say about the high operations tempo and personnel deployment rates? The people who deploy are not the ones getting out. The guy getting out is the guy who's left back home and has to pick up the slack with a workload that's been increased by a factor of eight or ten.

We were building an All-Volunteer Force with professionals, not mercenaries. The troops certainly don't mind a better paycheck, but they find it insulting that we seem to think that's all they want. Deep inside, there have been negative reactions to the recent pay raise.

They see their benefits continuing to erode. Their families are telling them, "Look at what happens to your medical care when you retire. You can't even pick up a telephone and get through to someone who might see you." And despite all the smoke and mirrors around TriCare and MediCare and other programs--even if they do work--the perceptions are bad.

To top things off, the quality of life back at the home base is terrible. We still have too much infrastructure eating up funds that should go toward improving quality of life. But don't count on DoD and the politicians going through another base-closure drill or anything like it.

So this all-volunteer, highly professional force we built--to give quality performance with quality support--has been allowed to erode. That came with the "Peace dividend."

The All-Volunteer Force has become something else--something less attractive than opportunities on the outside, in many ways. The troops want to be caught up in a calling--but they're not. They are involved in a job.

Over the past 40 years, we also have seen strange things happen with regard to the media. To be sure, there are no more Ernie Pyles out there, but there's nothing inherently wrong with the media, which has the same percentages of good guys and bad guys as other fields.

But technology has changed things. The media are on the battlefield; the media are in your headquarters; the media are everywhere. And the media report everything--good things, warts, and all.

And everyone knows that the warts tend to make better stories. As a CinC, I've probably been chewed out by seniors about five times-- and four of the five were about something I'd said to the media.

At this stage of my life, it doesn't really bother me--because where in hell do I go from here? But if you are a lieutenant or a captain and you see another officer get fried, you react differently.

The message is clear: "Avoid the media." And the message hardens into a Code: "They are the enemy. Don't be straight with them."

And that is bad. That is bad because we live in the Information Age. Battlefield reports are going to come back in real time, and they are going to be interpreted--with all sorts of subtle shadings and nuances--by the reporters and their news editors.

And the relationship between the military and the media, which should be at its strongest right now, has bottomed out. It has begun to heal a little, but a lot more must be done. We need to rebuild a sense of mutual trust. My uncles in World War II generally experienced a friendly press--with Willie and Joe cartoons and Ernie Pyle stories--that was part of the war effort.

G.I. Joe was lionized and bad news was suppressed--if not by the military then by the media. The relationship generally remained positive through the Korean War, despite its ambiguities.

But the relationship soured during and after Vietnam, for a number of reasons--not the least of which was mounting distrust of government by the media and the American people.

My generation and those who have followed over the past 40 years are still dealing with social issues that swept across the nation in the 1960s and 1970s. The racial and drug problems that peaked during the Vietnam years and persisted well beyond them are largely behind us now--but they came close to destroying the military from within--something no enemy has ever accomplished on the field of battle.

We still wrestle with problems associated with the massive infusion of women into the ranks of the military, seeking a final adjustment that meets the twin requirements of fairness and common sense. A final adjustment on the issue of gays in the military--largely side-stepped up to now--still lies ahead.

Today, we are suffering through the agony of watching and waiting for our political masters and the American people to decide what the U.S. military should look like in the future. It is especially agonising because the political leaders--and the population in general--have very little association with the armed forces.

Consequently, they have very little awareness of how we function. For example, they don't understand the Uniform Code of Military Justice--the UCMJ. If you work for IBM and don't show up for work, you might get fired. If you are in the Marines and don't show up, you might get locked up. Further, the military doesn't hire the handicapped in the same percentages as IBM or other corporations--probably for good reason. The military is different, but not enough Americans are aware of that.

Over this 40-year period, we have made some significant internal changes. We made a magnificent recovery from the Vietnam War, and my hat goes off to the Army, because I think they led the way in making the needed transformations.

In general, we have professionalised our non-commissioned officer corps, but still not enough NCOs are doing the jobs that officers had taken away from them when I first came in.

The rank structure is holding them back, despite the fact that their educational attainments--bachelors, masters, and even doctoral degrees--have far outstripped the structure. This needs to be fixed. The one thing that makes us stand out among the world's military services is the quality of our NCOs. Don't ever believe it's the officers; it's the non-commissioned officers.

All of the events that have shaped us over the past 40 years have not been negative. Somewhere in the mid-1980s we began to experience a renaissance in the operational art.

We actually started to take warfighting more seriously. Once again, I want to credit the Army for leading the charge, and the other services for following suit, in one way or another. Today, we see highly qualified, professionally competent, operationally sound officers and non-commissioned officers as a result. There's also been a technological revolution--the Revolution in Military Affairs, which already has gone beyond the point most may think.

Whenever I go to my command center in the basement of my Tampa headquarters, I can pull up a common operating picture--every ship and aircraft (commercial, bad guy, good guy) in real time. With a six-hour delay--which I could crunch to two hours if I wanted to--I can get a complete ground picture.

That's the good news. The bad news is that the White House and the Pentagon will probably be interested in the same picture, and might be tempted to make decisions on their own, without input from the folks actually on the scene. That could be disastrous, as history amply demonstrates.

As we close out this 40 years of service, those of us who served must ask: "What is our legacy?" My son is a newly commissioned second lieutenant of Marines. What have we left for him to look forward to?

We all know that burgeoning technology will widen his horizons beyond anything we can imagine. It also will present new questions of ethics and morality that we barely have begun to fathom.

But he also must live with an organisation that I have had to live with for 40 years. Napoleon could reappear today and recognize my Central Command staff organization: J-1, administration stovepipe; J-2, intelligence stovepipe-- you get the idea.

This antiquated organisation is oblivious to what everyone else in the world is doing: flattening organisation structure, with decentralised operations and more direct communications. This must be fixed.

My son will have to deal with the inevitable military-civilian rift and drift--which will become more severe in the future. He also will have to deal with the remaining social issues.

And they will get tougher, within a national debate over why we still need a strong military. In addition to dealing with these social issues--which will worsen--to shape their potential heritage, my son's generation must ultimately face the question of how much the military should be a reflection of U.S. society.

The people of America will get the military they want, in due course, but it is up to the military to advise them about the risks and consequences of their decisions.

My son will face non-traditional missions in messy places that will make Somalia look like a picnic. He will see a changed battlefield, with an accelerated tempo and greatly expanded knowledge base.

He will witness a great drop in the sense of calling. People entering the military will not be imprinted with his code. They will not be candidates for priesthood; at best, they will be part-time lay ministers.

On his watch, my son is likely to see a weapon of mass destruction event. Another Pearl Harbor will occur in some city, somewhere in the world where Americans are gathered; when that nasty bug or gas or nuke is released it will forever change him and his institutions. At that point, all the lip service paid to dealing with such an eventuality will be revealed for what it is--lip service.

And he will have to deal with it for real. In its wake, I hope he gets to deal with yet another Goldwater-Nichols arrangement.

What will we expect of him as a battlefield commander? Brains, guts, and determination--nothing new here. But we would ask for more than battlefield skill from our future commanders.

We want character, sense of moral responsibility, and an ethical standard that rises above those of all other professions. We want him to be a model who accepts the profession of arms as a calling. We want him to take care of our sons and daughters and treat their lives as something precious--putting them in harm's way only if it means something that truly counts.

We'll expect him to stand up to civilian leadership before thinking of his own career.

And I hope that we would think enough of him and his compatriots to show some respect for them along the way.


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"My feet are still screwed up to this day, thanks to Robert Strange McNamara."
1 posted on 04/18/2006 1:00:54 PM PDT by managusta
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To: managusta

I would like to read this later.


2 posted on 04/18/2006 1:03:22 PM PDT by Sundog (Cheers.)
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To: managusta

bttt


3 posted on 04/18/2006 1:14:38 PM PDT by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: Sundog
I would like to read this later.

It's worth the read. I don't think I've ever read something that disjointed and unfocused from any senior executive in any line of work. I read the whole thing, and am left thinking "what the hell was he saying?" He's obviously not happy about some things, but ranting against things like the National Security Act of 1947 is just bizarre. He's just whining, without offering anything in return.

But I do have a much better sense of who he is now. Likely an extremely bright guy, with a bit of a chip on his shoulder who never really felt like he fit in.

Ugh. My head still hurts from reading that monstrosity.

4 posted on 04/18/2006 1:15:07 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: managusta

Great article, well worth reading. Thanks for posting it.


5 posted on 04/18/2006 1:16:12 PM PDT by American Quilter
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It appears to be cut off at the end, where "the point" would normally go.


6 posted on 04/18/2006 1:20:29 PM PDT by dead
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"Today, I am stuck with the likes of a wiser Saddam Hussein and a still-elusive Osama Bin Laden--just a couple of those charmers out there who will no longer take us on in a symmetric force match-up."

Zinni is always held up by the MSM as so prescient WRT post Iraq. Well, here he is saying that Saddam would never take us on....

So much for prescience!

(I do like the Robert Strange line, though!)


7 posted on 04/18/2006 1:25:13 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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And I thought it was me. The man is beyond inarticulate.

Everyone who ever led the forces was wrong. He does nothing but whine and carp.

Guess no one ever told him that hindsight is 20 20........what a loser.

8 posted on 04/18/2006 1:29:58 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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As much as it hurt my head, I'm very glad I read it. It gives a glimpse into how/why he took the positions he's taken on the war. He's basically opposed to everything.


9 posted on 04/18/2006 1:35:07 PM PDT by XJarhead
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On his watch, my son is likely to see a weapon of mass destruction event. Another Pearl Harbor will occur in some city, somewhere in the world where Americans are gathered; when that nasty bug or gas or nuke is released it will forever change him and his institutions. At that point, all the lip service paid to dealing with such an eventuality will be revealed for what it is--lip service.

This was prescient coming as it did a year before 9/11.

On the whole, Zinni strikes me as being a bitter man who felt defeated by a bureaucratic inertia, politics, and interservice rivalries. This was his swan gripe.

10 posted on 04/18/2006 1:37:44 PM PDT by JCEccles
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Farewell, and don't let the door hit you in the --- on the way out.


11 posted on 04/18/2006 1:45:49 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: managusta
Ever since the end of World War II, why haven't we been able to find a way to do this?" The answer, of course, is that you must have the political will--and that means the will of the administration, the Congress, and the American people. All must be united in a desire for action.

So when we finally get an administration, and a set of political circumstances that allow the taking out of the Iraqi Regime, what does Gen. Zinni do? He morally defects. He won't take his own advice. He nitpicks.

He must have been a great staff officer, because he can't see the forest throught the trees.

12 posted on 04/18/2006 1:58:29 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: OldFriend
The man is beyond inarticulate.

The man obviously took one too many Powerpoint briefings to the noggin.

13 posted on 04/18/2006 1:59:36 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: Tallguy
So when we finally get an administration, and a set of political circumstances that allow the taking out of the Iraqi Regime, what does Gen. Zinni do? He morally defects. He won't take his own advice. He nitpicks.

Its worse than that. He's either a defeatist, or just so muddled in his thinking that he can't see straight. Because here's what he also says in that article:

But why can't we muster the necessary political will to do things right? It goes back to cost-benefit analysis, especially in terms of potential casualties. Nobody in his right mind can justify the possible human cost and the uncertain aftermath of strong military action.

That's a mind-boggling statement. He's saying that we can't "do things right", because we lack the political will. And we lack the political will because "nobody in his right mind can justify the possible human cost and the uncertain aftermath...." In essense, he's saying that nobody in his right mind would do things right. That's an entirely fair characterization of his point.

That is one seriously messed up guy.

14 posted on 04/18/2006 2:08:41 PM PDT by XJarhead
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Sheesh...reminiscent an E-3 with a bad attitude. I'm sure the midshipmen were pumped up and looking forward to their careers after that swan song.
15 posted on 04/18/2006 2:17:07 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Tallguy

Maybe he's french.


16 posted on 04/18/2006 2:18:00 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, you lying bastard.

A general with no honor.


17 posted on 04/18/2006 2:19:33 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: managusta

bump for later


18 posted on 04/18/2006 2:20:05 PM PDT by true_blue_texican ((grateful Texan!!))
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To: XJarhead
Proving that he was promoted way beyond his abilities.

The military promotes according to time in service.

One of the reasons the Captains leave is that it takes about nine years to get to the next rank. All the while you're at the same pay rate.

How demoralizing for the up and coming to find themselves having to deal with idiots like Zinni. Incompetent is an understatement.

19 posted on 04/18/2006 2:20:22 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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The selection rate for general officer is extremely low. Roughly 5 percent of eligible 0-6's (those with sufficient time in grade) get promoted to 0-7 in the Marines. So time in service doesn't cut it. You've gotta have something more.

I'm betting Zinni was exceptional bright, and was so much smarter than most of the people around him that he impressed the hell out of them. But his weakness is that he overthinks everything, and can't just accept the reality of imperfection. That's my guess, anyway.

20 posted on 04/18/2006 2:32:43 PM PDT by XJarhead
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