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British officer likens US generals to gung-ho movie stars: report
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 4/18/06 | AFP

Posted on 04/18/2006 7:06:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Cheburashka

If our Generals are acting like John Wayne, then we have the best Generals in the world and we are in good hands.


161 posted on 04/20/2006 8:25:54 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: AnnaZ
Maybe Oliver Stone movies are the product of a warped brain but above all else it generated a huge amount of money for all those involved who completly disregarded the harm it would do to their own country. Anyway I thought it was a crap film for the way it portrayed your armed forces.

I suspect Hamburger Hill was probably nearer the truth and when I watched that I was humbled by the sacrifice and courage of your young men.

I'm sure somebody on FR will correct me if I'm wrong.
162 posted on 04/20/2006 8:27:05 AM PDT by Brit1 ( Not By Strength By Guile)
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To: Cheburashka
The British venacular is 'Shut your face'
163 posted on 04/20/2006 8:44:40 AM PDT by Brit1 ( Not By Strength By Guile)
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To: Sandreckoner
The Independant has the lowest circulation (under 200,000) of all our national papers is well known for its anti American bias is always only a couple of editions away from bankruptcy but it does help by 'keeping the sheep within their pen'....... Genesis, 'Firth of Fith' track 3 of 'Selling England by the Pound' Circa 1973.
164 posted on 04/20/2006 9:33:41 AM PDT by Brit1 ( Not By Strength By Guile ( No hip hop here))
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To: Cheburashka

Thanks for reply.

Actually I DONT think that the British would have been better at the brealout,it was CORRECT that we pin down and you exploit,as the US had the larger more mobile force and the British are best at brutal point blank attrition.

My point is that the post ww2 criticism of Monty and the Anglo-Canadian-Polish forces is ridiculous when you consider A-the strategy,which WAS for the Anglo-Can-Pol forces to indulge in attrition,and B-what that eastern force actually faced in doing A,against the cream of German armour and SS...

The same can be said for Sicily.

I am happy and proud that the British took the Germans on point blank and defeated them.I just wish the (mainly US)critics would actually look at 1944,and they would see the 'too slow' argument is offensive nonsense....


165 posted on 04/20/2006 10:16:12 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: Stepan12

Stepan,only the idiot left mocks...

We have had 80 yrs of IRA terrorism remember,so we know all about terrorists thank you...


166 posted on 04/20/2006 10:18:14 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: NormsRevenge
British officer likens US generals to gung-ho movie stars: report

He's likening them to Michael Keaton?


167 posted on 04/20/2006 10:21:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Stepan12
You european types will sneer and mock the terrorism that happens to Jews and Americans, but you'll cry like babies when your heroes decide to do it to you guys as well.

Interesting how the IRA stopped being heroic freedom fighters after 9/11, isn't it?
168 posted on 04/20/2006 1:16:33 PM PDT by English Nationalist
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To: Brit1
As for Arafat the feeling here was good ridance to evil rubbish and a hope that things would get better in the Middle East now he is dead.I don't remember any glowing tributes here at all.

Don't pull this scheiss unsin with me! I remember the idiot Britisher who said that she began to cry when Arafat was airlifted to the French hospital. Your overated novelist, John LeCarre, bragged about putting his hand on Arafat's chest so he could feel "his Palestinian heart." And what did Lady Milloy say about I can't stand the Jews and it's all their fault? And then bragged that all the Britishers at the dinner party with her agree with her on that. I could go on and on, so please don't pull this with me.

Btw... before the July bombing that took 57 Londoners lives had happened, an Israeli/Jewish victim of terrorism warned you europeans not to snicker too much over the terrorism against the Jews because it would happen to you next. She was absolutely right! click here: You're next, buddies!

169 posted on 04/20/2006 8:37:29 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Stepan12

Stepan,you are talking about a tiny London 'literati' minority:LeCarre(who IS a brilliant novelist,even though I disagree with his politics),the lady who was a BBC reporter,Lady Milloy.

The vast majority of British people thought Arafat a terrorist.Even some on the left.

And to tell us 'were next'?...as if Britain has never been bombed

Mate,the IRA has been bombing Britain since the 1920's!.No to mention the homegrown bombs of the Angry Brigade,the extreme Scots nationalists,the animal rights nuts in the 80's....

Britain has more experience of terrorism than any Western nation and we dont need to be 'told' ANYTHING about terrorism thank you...


170 posted on 04/21/2006 3:13:35 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: Stepan12
Good Morning Stepan 12, thank you for your post. Not sure what Scheiss unsin means not sure I'm that bothered either.As for Idiot Britishers well I'm sure every country has its idiots and as your population is 6 times greater than mine I'm sure you must have that many more .

Joking aside though.

Ofcourse LeCarre is overrated but I'm not into spy fiction so couldn't really say as for Lady Milloy who the hell is she? Some pre WW11 toff who nobody would give a hoot about today and I wasn't invited to her dinner party anyway..Ancient History.
The July bombings killed LONDONERS not Jews, Christians, Hindu's Muslims etc LONDONERS Mr and although I admit we made a tragic mistake by shooting an 'innocent' the policy of Shoot To Kill very much stands and any terrorist will be very well aware of that.

As for terrorism well perhaps we should thank the Americans for their support of the IRA..severall hundred POLICE OFFICERS shot in the back of the neck with weapons funded by some of your countrymen and we need no Terror lessons from Israel remember the 'Stern Gang'...From terrorist murderer to prime minister in one easy step or even take Nelson Mandella from terrorist to president and world respect.
A couple of years ago in hospital I met one of your guys from Langley ( well connected) and he said'The Palestinians must have their own state but something will have to be done about the Hammass' he said he new William Buckley.........

Who in hell thought they would ever be elected to government, nobody because the lessons of history are never well learnt. I have just heard that prison authorities are rebuilding a Toilet block so that Muslim prisoners do not have to face Mecca whilst sitting. God bless em all(irony)
171 posted on 04/21/2006 3:51:53 AM PDT by Brit1 ( Not By Strength By Guile ( No hip hop here))
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To: Brit1

How the hell could I forget the Irgun and the Stern Gang?...

I wonder how many Americans and Westerners generally know of the Jewish terrorists of the 1940's?.And that the Stern Gang actually met with the Nazis!...

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/irgunazi.htm


172 posted on 04/21/2006 5:33:39 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Hi Scotsman in your list of the bombers of Britain you left out the Nazi's. I suspect the Stern Gang were meeting the Nazi's at the same time the Luftwaffe was attempting to bomb England into submission


173 posted on 04/21/2006 7:50:52 AM PDT by Brit1 ( Not By Strength By Guile ( No hip hop here))
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To: Brit1

Well the German bombing in both wars was military,I suppose rather than terrorism(in the civilian sense).


174 posted on 04/21/2006 8:06:53 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman
Concerning your posts 82 and 83-----

----there you go, trying to confuse the babblers with facts.

In regards to what our armchair field marshal had to say about Montgomery; he seems to me to have been cold-blooded and ruthless.

175 posted on 04/21/2006 8:45:31 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: the scotsman
The phrase "concentration camp" is military in origin and had nothing whatever to do with imprisoning people. During mobilization in the era before large standing armies and large permanent encampments---like Fort Hood, Texas or Camp LeJeune, North Carolina for instance---troops had to be brought in and concentrated into cohesive units at camps set up for the purpose.

I was recently looking at a Division History for one of the US National Army divisions from the First World War which spoke of the concentration camp where the division assembled. The book was published in 1920.

PS, After the big reorganization during the teens, the US Army had Regular Army Divisions; National Guard Divisions and National Army Divisions.

{If anyone desires to correct my above post----have at it}.

176 posted on 04/21/2006 9:23:46 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: the scotsman

Take your point although I suspect the civilians in the East End might not or the civilians in Dresden.Father was Lancaster/Liberator aircrew(WOP/AG)1943/1945 but will never talk about it but he did give me his flying log books.


177 posted on 04/21/2006 10:53:09 AM PDT by Brit1 ( Not By Strength By Guile ( No hip hop here))
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To: Rockpile

Hello Rockpile.

I have to utterly disagree.

Arrogant and pompous yes,but when it came to his men,absolutely not.

Remember that he had been in the slaughter of ww1 and that is why he was cautious('too slow' to his critics)and why he only attacked when he had built up sufficient forces,a la El Alamein or the 1945 crossing of the Rhine or Ops Epsom or Goodwood.Also remember that he could not be so,given the finite British manpower of 1944-45...

Monty was anything but ruthless with his men in terms of committing them to battle...


178 posted on 04/21/2006 5:41:45 PM PDT by the scotsman
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