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To: Uncledave
This is a problem everywhere not just in Britain.

And the sad fact is we have always had this sort of violence even when I was growing up in avery tough part of the East End.

As a young lad in the early 70s I would not go into bars where I was not known.

The what you looking at has always been used to start a punch up, with also popular you looking at my bird, and you just made me spill my pint

And it was the same in my Dads day as well.

There are parts of Britain that have always been very violent, going right back through time.

That said we need to sort out a better sentencing structure.

The problem is we tend to use jail to much, which means we end up with overcrowded jails, and so have to limit the time spent.

We need to sort out a proper sentencing strategy and maybe look at what constitutes a crime as well.

I know one crime that I would legalise as it uses up more than its fair share of police, court and prison resources.

Also I sometimes work with youngsters and on the whole they are law abiding.

Its just the bad ones, the mindless thugs and criminals who get publicity.

41 posted on 04/20/2006 4:25:30 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: tonycavanagh
This is a problem everywhere not just in Britain.

There is a difference between expecting a fight in a bar in a tough neighborhood and expecting a fight -- to the death, mind you -- while you are fixing your car in your driveway.

Concerning everywhere, the circumstances described in the article remind me a bit of my suburban neighborhood in the '70s when the biker gangs where in their heyday.

Things have gotten much better.

47 posted on 04/20/2006 5:02:32 AM PDT by Tribune7
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